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> 2 TB of storage in Photos, Gmail & Drive for you and up to 5 other people Keep in mind your files may be accidentally deleted if Google doesn't cancel this p

> 2 TB of storage in Photos, Gmail & Drive for you and up to 5 other people Keep in mind your files may be accidentally deleted if Google doesn't cancel this product first [1][2]. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/27/google_drive_files_disappearing/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/27/google_drive_files_di... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38431743 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38431743

Klaster_1 3y ago
Also, other people should have an account associated with the same country as your account. Discovered this the hard way when my parents no longer could renew their Google Photo storage because of the sanctions.
- _njyk 3y ago
  One anecdote, I live in one of the European countries that put sanctions onto yours, and I cannot use many Google of services either. This European country simply doesn't exist in many of the Google forms, despite being on the "good side" and being no different than Finland or Germany.
  - euazOn 3y ago
    Which is it? Andorra?
nolok 3y ago
If you use any cloud storage, including others like dropbox or icloud, you must always assume that. Whether you're a business or an individual.
- naikrovek 3y ago
  Why? It’s not an unsolvable inherent problem. You pay for cloud storage so you don’t have to think about these things. If you’re saying that one should pay for cloud storage and still worry about these things, then you’re trading money for a service which provides nothing, or at least you’re paying for a service which provides no real utility. You’re trading money for nothing. If anyone thinks that’s a normal transaction then I don’t know how to respond to that.
  - nolok 3y ago
    What I'm saying is that you think you paid for something different than what you actually pay for if you look in the actual contract. Check by yourself : whatever your provider is, without looking, can you say what guarantee they give you that your file won't be deleted randomly ? Do you think it's stronger than "best effort but no % written" ? Then go check what it actually says. I'm not saying I think it's a good state of affairs, I'm european and part of the crowd that cheered when ISP got smacked for abusing "unlimited" in their ads while the contract said different. But parent's comment I'm answering too can at best be seen as a warning that specifically google storage can make your files disapear in some rare cases, if that matters to you enough then you need to know the same is true for all the big others.
- nazgul17 3y ago
  No, you would assign a probability to the event. And that probability would be higher for a Google product.
  - adr1an 3y ago
    That might be selection bias, the news posted here are only newsworthy because it's Google. Anyhow, I trust smaller shops a bit more than big corps (no matter the product or service being purchased), but it's subjective. In regards to tech, I trust myself first. In the same way that a Chef might not prefer going to any common restaurant, sure.
  - nolok 3y ago
    I would disagree with you, my personnal anecdotal data showing google to be more reliable at it than others. In the lack of hard properly collected data, this give all of them the same probability. I'm sure someone out there thought "let's use microsoft skydrive because google is unreliable".
    - asystole 3y ago
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      - jvolkman 3y ago
        This is not what they were talking about.
linsomniac 3y ago
The wording around the Gemini Ultra enable scares me: "Upgrade your Google One plan". I have a One family plan, does this upgrade remove the family part? What happens if I don't decide to keep Gemini and want to go back to my current plan, can I even do that? Google has kind of botched these sorts of upgrades in the past so I'm pretty reluctant to give it a try here.
- klabb3 3y ago
  Finally some actual relevant criticism in this thread. You’re spot on. Google is deep into “shipping the org chart”. As such, I would be worried too that different products conflict with each other. It’s funny that Google can design and operationalize the most incredible engineering marvels, but can’t explain their products (and in particular how they interact with each other).
  - surajrmal 3y ago
    How is this shipping an org chart? It's combining products built by different parts of the company into a single subscription which seems like the opposite.
    - klabb3 3y ago
      Yes, that’s what they’re telling you. However, in reality there is a lot of friction and/or confusion about how different products interact. I’m not saying this particular combination works one way or another, only that it’s extremely hard to understand the consumer product offerings compared to Amazon, Apple and arguably even Microsoft. It’s well known that Google has a marketing problem – people don’t even know what they offer. The interface that sits on top and is supposed to give you some overview and coherence is bolted on with duct tape after-the-fact. Now, it’s possible this has changed since I worked there but I highly doubt that it’s all ironed out.
- surajrmal 3y ago
  All Google one offerings are family plans. Yes you can downgrade as well.

Klaster_1 3y ago

Also, other people should have an account associated with the same country as your account. Discovered this the hard way when my parents no longer could renew their Google Photo storage because of the sanctions.

_njyk 3y ago
One anecdote, I live in one of the European countries that put sanctions onto yours, and I cannot use many Google of services either. This European country simply doesn't exist in many of the Google forms, despite being on the "good side" and being no different than Finland or Germany.
- euazOn 3y ago
  Which is it? Andorra?

nolok 3y ago

If you use any cloud storage, including others like dropbox or icloud, you must always assume that. Whether you're a business or an individual.

naikrovek 3y ago
Why? It’s not an unsolvable inherent problem. You pay for cloud storage so you don’t have to think about these things. If you’re saying that one should pay for cloud storage and still worry about these things, then you’re trading money for a service which provides nothing, or at least you’re paying for a service which provides no real utility. You’re trading money for nothing. If anyone thinks that’s a normal transaction then I don’t know how to respond to that.
- nolok 3y ago
  What I'm saying is that you think you paid for something different than what you actually pay for if you look in the actual contract. Check by yourself : whatever your provider is, without looking, can you say what guarantee they give you that your file won't be deleted randomly ? Do you think it's stronger than "best effort but no % written" ? Then go check what it actually says. I'm not saying I think it's a good state of affairs, I'm european and part of the crowd that cheered when ISP got smacked for abusing "unlimited" in their ads while the contract said different. But parent's comment I'm answering too can at best be seen as a warning that specifically google storage can make your files disapear in some rare cases, if that matters to you enough then you need to know the same is true for all the big others.
nazgul17 3y ago
No, you would assign a probability to the event. And that probability would be higher for a Google product.
- adr1an 3y ago
  That might be selection bias, the news posted here are only newsworthy because it's Google. Anyhow, I trust smaller shops a bit more than big corps (no matter the product or service being purchased), but it's subjective. In regards to tech, I trust myself first. In the same way that a Chef might not prefer going to any common restaurant, sure.
- nolok 3y ago
  I would disagree with you, my personnal anecdotal data showing google to be more reliable at it than others. In the lack of hard properly collected data, this give all of them the same probability. I'm sure someone out there thought "let's use microsoft skydrive because google is unreliable".
  - asystole 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - jvolkman 3y ago
      This is not what they were talking about.

linsomniac 3y ago

The wording around the Gemini Ultra enable scares me: "Upgrade your Google One plan". I have a One family plan, does this upgrade remove the family part? What happens if I don't decide to keep Gemini and want to go back to my current plan, can I even do that? Google has kind of botched these sorts of upgrades in the past so I'm pretty reluctant to give it a try here.

klabb3 3y ago
Finally some actual relevant criticism in this thread. You’re spot on. Google is deep into “shipping the org chart”. As such, I would be worried too that different products conflict with each other. It’s funny that Google can design and operationalize the most incredible engineering marvels, but can’t explain their products (and in particular how they interact with each other).
- surajrmal 3y ago
  How is this shipping an org chart? It's combining products built by different parts of the company into a single subscription which seems like the opposite.
  - klabb3 3y ago
    Yes, that’s what they’re telling you. However, in reality there is a lot of friction and/or confusion about how different products interact. I’m not saying this particular combination works one way or another, only that it’s extremely hard to understand the consumer product offerings compared to Amazon, Apple and arguably even Microsoft. It’s well known that Google has a marketing problem – people don’t even know what they offer. The interface that sits on top and is supposed to give you some overview and coherence is bolted on with duct tape after-the-fact. Now, it’s possible this has changed since I worked there but I highly doubt that it’s all ironed out.
surajrmal 3y ago
All Google one offerings are family plans. Yes you can downgrade as well.