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If I understood what happened, not in this case. When you drive through an intersection, you assume that the traffic coming in the opposite direction who wants

by cm2187 3y ago

If I understood what happened, not in this case. When you drive through an intersection, you assume that the traffic coming in the opposite direction who wants to turn will give you priority, as I believe is the rule in every jurisdiction. It seems to me here that the cyclist made a turn without looking if cars were coming in the opposite direction.

ChatGTP 3y ago
The cyclist would’ve assumed whoever was going to make a turn would’ve waited to check nothing was behind the truck. Maybe I’m weird but it’s the default way I drive. I hate cutting corners, or making blind turns. The car is in the wrong as it should’ve made sure the road was completely clear before executing the turn. I mean it must’ve been a pretty aggressive move to turn that soon after a truck went past… That or the AIs are ready to start killing people
- cm2187 3y ago
  It’s unclear to me from the article who was turning, the cyclist or the car. I agree that whoever was turning is at fault.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers need to be ultra careful. Period.
    - infecto 3y ago
      As a cyclist and driver, I feel fault is not to be assigned to the car by default. If you are driving a car you certainly need to be aware but if you are walking or riding a bicycle you need to be equally aware of your surroundings. People are stupid regardless of what they are driving.
    - phicoh 3y ago
      This attitude doesn't help when typically in a collision, the cyclist needs medical treatment. Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. So for a cyclist, don't get in the path of a 'killing machine' when the car has priority and when the cyclist has priority look for clues that the car is actually going to stop.
      - ChatGTP 3y ago
        Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. Like no shit, I never said cyclists shouldn't obey the rules, but motorists should be held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective because of the insane amounts of damage that can be inflicted by jerking around on Instagram while driving, for example. I've ridden around cities my whole life on bikes and you can obey all the rules you like, you're still completely vulnerable when it comes to dangerous, inattentive driving. Cars, for the most part, really are a stupid idea, especially in cities.
        lostmsu 3y ago
        > is always at fault > held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective Get yourself a consistent worldview. Anything else is susceptible to the principle of explosion.
        ChatGTP 3y ago
        Well it is the law. A cyclists will never go to jail for running into a car. So I think my world view is pretty consistent.
    - dudul 3y ago
      Cyclists need to follow the rules. If a cyclist starts buffooning on the road and ends up in an accident I have no problem saying that they were looking for it.
      - ChatGTP 3y ago
        I'm sorry, but where did I say the cyclists shouldn't obey the rules? Basically, in all cases the cyclist is going to come off first in any encounter with a car.
        dudul 3y ago
        "As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault." I dont see a lot of ambiguity here.
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    - HDThoreaun 3y ago
      As a cyclist and a driver I feel this is a horrible mentality, and sharing it openly gives all your fellow cyclists a poor reputation.
      - ChatGTP 3y ago
        Ok when driving a car, especially in a very populated area, you don't have to be extra careful?
scaryclam 3y ago
I tend to assume they're going to be an idiot and turn. I'm not going to yield my right of way, but I'm going to prepare to stop. Just because something is a rule, doesn't mean people are thinking properly. In the UK we have to take a specific test for hazard perception to see if we're capable of thinking about this kind of situation, before we can take the practical test for a licence. The cyclist was in the wrong for turning, and legally there is nothing against the car. But the car was also in the wrong for not assessing the situation and preparing to stop, in case the cyclist was daft, which they were.
- ambichook 3y ago
  100%, it doesn't matter if the crash wouldn't be "my fault", if i can see it coming and prevent it i should and will

by cm2187 3y ago

ChatGTP 3y ago

The cyclist would’ve assumed whoever was going to make a turn would’ve waited to check nothing was behind the truck. Maybe I’m weird but it’s the default way I drive. I hate cutting corners, or making blind turns. The car is in the wrong as it should’ve made sure the road was completely clear before executing the turn. I mean it must’ve been a pretty aggressive move to turn that soon after a truck went past… That or the AIs are ready to start killing people

cm2187 3y ago
It’s unclear to me from the article who was turning, the cyclist or the car. I agree that whoever was turning is at fault.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers need to be ultra careful. Period.
  - infecto 3y ago
    As a cyclist and driver, I feel fault is not to be assigned to the car by default. If you are driving a car you certainly need to be aware but if you are walking or riding a bicycle you need to be equally aware of your surroundings. People are stupid regardless of what they are driving.
  - phicoh 3y ago
    This attitude doesn't help when typically in a collision, the cyclist needs medical treatment. Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. So for a cyclist, don't get in the path of a 'killing machine' when the car has priority and when the cyclist has priority look for clues that the car is actually going to stop.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. Like no shit, I never said cyclists shouldn't obey the rules, but motorists should be held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective because of the insane amounts of damage that can be inflicted by jerking around on Instagram while driving, for example. I've ridden around cities my whole life on bikes and you can obey all the rules you like, you're still completely vulnerable when it comes to dangerous, inattentive driving. Cars, for the most part, really are a stupid idea, especially in cities.
      - lostmsu 3y ago
        > is always at fault > held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective Get yourself a consistent worldview. Anything else is susceptible to the principle of explosion.
        ChatGTP 3y ago
        Well it is the law. A cyclists will never go to jail for running into a car. So I think my world view is pretty consistent.
  - dudul 3y ago
    Cyclists need to follow the rules. If a cyclist starts buffooning on the road and ends up in an accident I have no problem saying that they were looking for it.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      I'm sorry, but where did I say the cyclists shouldn't obey the rules? Basically, in all cases the cyclist is going to come off first in any encounter with a car.
      - dudul 3y ago
        "As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault." I dont see a lot of ambiguity here.
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  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    As a cyclist and a driver I feel this is a horrible mentality, and sharing it openly gives all your fellow cyclists a poor reputation.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Ok when driving a car, especially in a very populated area, you don't have to be extra careful?

scaryclam 3y ago

I tend to assume they're going to be an idiot and turn. I'm not going to yield my right of way, but I'm going to prepare to stop. Just because something is a rule, doesn't mean people are thinking properly. In the UK we have to take a specific test for hazard perception to see if we're capable of thinking about this kind of situation, before we can take the practical test for a licence. The cyclist was in the wrong for turning, and legally there is nothing against the car. But the car was also in the wrong for not assessing the situation and preparing to stop, in case the cyclist was daft, which they were.

ambichook 3y ago
100%, it doesn't matter if the crash wouldn't be "my fault", if i can see it coming and prevent it i should and will