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> I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop. That's a side effect of your choice, not an excuse to blow through stop signs.
by ExoticPearTree 3y ago
> I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop.
That's a side effect of your choice, not an excuse to blow through stop signs.
- CalRobert 3y agoIt's also a side effect of very bad urban design. I bike in the Netherlands and don't know if I've _ever_ seen a stop sign here. Traffic signals, sure, but not stop signs.
- ExoticPearTree 3y agoCities in Europe are much smaller and more compact than US cities. And while there's no stop sign, you still have to yield to traffic from your right if there's no sign whatsoever. And specifically, dutch cities tend to have winding narrow streets where you can't speed up too much. Stop signs are put in places where I guess a yield sign proved to be dangerous to traffic?
- CalRobert 3y agoTrue, but you're addressing some of the things I meant when I said US cities have very bad urban design. The alternative isn't a yield sign, it's a redesigned intersection and likely a roundabout, or much smaller intersection, or similar.