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I don't hate cyclists, I've used a bike as a primary form of transport for much of my life. But especially in the US, dangerous behavior from cyclists seems to

I don't hate cyclists, I've used a bike as a primary form of transport for much of my life. But especially in the US, dangerous behavior from cyclists seems to be proportionally much more common than dangerous behavior by Waymos. So yeah, it's easy to believe that a cyclist just kind of blew the stop sign when they shouldn't have.

godelski 3y ago
> behavior from cyclists seems to be proportionally much more common than dangerous behavior by Waymos I'm not trying to take any position to this notion. I don't know the facts. I only know that not coming to a complete stop (different from blowing throw an intersection!) does not equate to dangerous behavior. You'll find another link that shows evidence otherwise. "Stop-as-yield" laws would be worth looking into if you're interested.
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  I'm well aware of the Idaho stop, I'd advocated for it on many occasions. However, I'm also aware that a lot of cyclists don't 'yield' so much as 'continue at full speed through the 4-way stop sign'. So far, Waymo seems to have a culture of playing things very by the book and safely, or at least as safe as possible given the constraints of developing self-driving cars on public roads. I think it's very unlikely they'd lie, knowing that they'll have to hand over footage of the incident over to the authorities, and especially given what recently happened with Cruise semi-lying and being absolutely thrashed in the press because of it.