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They haven't started enforcing it because you can only issue warnings if people park close to the crosswalk until next year - specifically because most drivers

They haven't started enforcing it because you can only issue warnings if people park close to the crosswalk until next year - specifically because most drivers don't know about the law. And the law actually states that local authorities can come up with their own distance rules instead.

rahimnathwani 3y ago
> They haven't started enforcing it because you can only issue warnings if people park close to the crosswalk until next year - specifically because most drivers don't know about the law. OK, I see that now: (4) Prior to January 1, 2025, jurisdictions may only issue a warning, and shall not issue a citation, for a violation unless the violation occurs in an area marked using paint or a sign. But honestly I often see cars stopped (waiting, not parked) in red zones and have never seen them get a ticket or even asked to move on. > And the law actually states that local authorities can come up with their own distance rules instead. I didn't know this! (B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), a local authority may establish a different distance if both of the following requirements are met: (i) A local authority establishes the different distance by ordinance that includes a finding that the different distance is justified by established traffic safety standards. (ii) A local authority has marked the different distance at the intersection using paint or a sign. I wonder whether (n)(1)(B)(i) is, in practice, a high bar.
- Aloisius 3y ago
  I doubt the bar is particularly high and the onus is on the city to create signs/paint curbs to indicate if it's longer or shorter. As it stands, if there's a red curb or parking prohibition sign already next to a crosswalk, it dictates distance - whether longer or shorter - and there are a lot of intersections with those already that are much shorter than 20 feet - like where fire hydrants often are. If SF doesn't repaint/resign those, then nothing happens. It's only for unpainted/unsigned areas where the 20 ft rule comes into place.
LtWorf 3y ago
They don't have the "you're required to know the law, 15 days after it exists" law? Odd.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  It's actually a legal principle in most countries. Hence my surprise. But keep flagging :)
jasomill 3y ago
Outside areas with dedicated parking enforcement patrols, do police actually issue tickets for parking within distance of thing? I ask because, here in Indianapolis, on my heavily-trafficked mixed residential/commercial street, drivers routinely ignore both painted curbs and painted parallel parking space markers for days at a time and seem to be rarely, if ever, ticketed for doing so.

rahimnathwani 3y ago

> They haven't started enforcing it because you can only issue warnings if people park close to the crosswalk until next year - specifically because most drivers don't know about the law. OK, I see that now: (4) Prior to January 1, 2025, jurisdictions may only issue a warning, and shall not issue a citation, for a violation unless the violation occurs in an area marked using paint or a sign. But honestly I often see cars stopped (waiting, not parked) in red zones and have never seen them get a ticket or even asked to move on. > And the law actually states that local authorities can come up with their own distance rules instead. I didn't know this! (B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), a local authority may establish a different distance if both of the following requirements are met: (i) A local authority establishes the different distance by ordinance that includes a finding that the different distance is justified by established traffic safety standards. (ii) A local authority has marked the different distance at the intersection using paint or a sign. I wonder whether (n)(1)(B)(i) is, in practice, a high bar.

Aloisius 3y ago
I doubt the bar is particularly high and the onus is on the city to create signs/paint curbs to indicate if it's longer or shorter. As it stands, if there's a red curb or parking prohibition sign already next to a crosswalk, it dictates distance - whether longer or shorter - and there are a lot of intersections with those already that are much shorter than 20 feet - like where fire hydrants often are. If SF doesn't repaint/resign those, then nothing happens. It's only for unpainted/unsigned areas where the 20 ft rule comes into place.

LtWorf 3y ago

They don't have the "you're required to know the law, 15 days after it exists" law? Odd.

LtWorf 3y ago
It's actually a legal principle in most countries. Hence my surprise. But keep flagging :)

jasomill 3y ago

Outside areas with dedicated parking enforcement patrols, do police actually issue tickets for parking within distance of thing? I ask because, here in Indianapolis, on my heavily-trafficked mixed residential/commercial street, drivers routinely ignore both painted curbs and painted parallel parking space markers for days at a time and seem to be rarely, if ever, ticketed for doing so.