> There's a difference between stop and slow down. Yes, that's exactly my point! Going 2mph through a stop sign is materially different from stopping at the l

> There's a difference between stop and slow down. Yes, that's exactly my point! Going 2mph through a stop sign is materially different from stopping at the line. When you stop, you can confirm that the intersection is clear (and that there are no pedestrians about to cross). > It's also a minority of the time. If you had to guess, what would you say is the median speed of cars across the lines at stop signs in SF? > That said, I do see cyclists blowing through stop signs ALL THE TIME, often totally dangerously with other cars (including me) at the intersection with them. I guess we drive in different parts of the city. I see this, but not often.