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Yeah, my reading was that the bike ran the stop sign and then attempted to make a left turn in front of the Waymo as it was going straight through the intersect

Yeah, my reading was that the bike ran the stop sign and then attempted to make a left turn in front of the Waymo as it was going straight through the intersection.

belltaco 3y ago
My reading was that the Waymo was turning left. Remember, the description is from Waymo's PR, so that's why it's vague on purpose and needs to be taken with a grain of salt. According to another comment bikes can treat stop signs as yield signs in California. If the bike illegally ran a stop sign I would think Waymo would say or imply that.
- adrr 3y ago
  Did a quick google and DMV states they must stop at all stop signs. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/educational-materials/fast-facts/sharing-the-road-ffdl-37/#:~:text=Obey%20Traffic%20Signs%20and%20Signals,the%20light%20changes%20to%20red https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/ed....
- tfehring 3y ago
  I agree that there's still lots of ambiguity and Waymo's PR comment provides limited and one-sided detail. I stand by my previous comment as the most likely course of events, but we won't know for sure until video is released. The comment that claims bikes can treat stop signs as yield signs in California is incorrect. From the CA DMV website [0]: > Bicyclists must obey STOP signs and red signal lights, and follow basic right-of-way rules. There was an attempt to change this a few years ago, but it didn't pass. [0] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/educational-materials/fast-facts/sharing-the-road-ffdl-37/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/ed...
- antognini 3y ago
  There was a bill to make something like this legal, but it was vetoed by the governor. Even if it had passed, it wouldn't have changed anything about this situation. Because there was other traffic in the intersection, the bicyclist would have had to yield and stop before entering the intersection.

Yeah, my reading was that the bike ran the stop sign and then attempted to make a left turn in front of the Waymo as it was going straight through the intersection.

belltaco 3y ago

My reading was that the Waymo was turning left. Remember, the description is from Waymo's PR, so that's why it's vague on purpose and needs to be taken with a grain of salt. According to another comment bikes can treat stop signs as yield signs in California. If the bike illegally ran a stop sign I would think Waymo would say or imply that.

adrr 3y ago
Did a quick google and DMV states they must stop at all stop signs. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/educational-materials/fast-facts/sharing-the-road-ffdl-37/#:~:text=Obey%20Traffic%20Signs%20and%20Signals,the%20light%20changes%20to%20red https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/ed....
tfehring 3y ago
I agree that there's still lots of ambiguity and Waymo's PR comment provides limited and one-sided detail. I stand by my previous comment as the most likely course of events, but we won't know for sure until video is released. The comment that claims bikes can treat stop signs as yield signs in California is incorrect. From the CA DMV website [0]: > Bicyclists must obey STOP signs and red signal lights, and follow basic right-of-way rules. There was an attempt to change this a few years ago, but it didn't pass. [0] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/educational-materials/fast-facts/sharing-the-road-ffdl-37/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/ed...
antognini 3y ago
There was a bill to make something like this legal, but it was vetoed by the governor. Even if it had passed, it wouldn't have changed anything about this situation. Because there was other traffic in the intersection, the bicyclist would have had to yield and stop before entering the intersection.