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Rolling through stop signs while cycling is generally appropriate (and is the law in more enlightened places). In California it may be illegal, but so is a car
by lmm 3y ago
Rolling through stop signs while cycling is generally appropriate (and is the law in more enlightened places). In California it may be illegal, but so is a car exceeding the speed limit, and few would excuse Waymo for hitting one of those.
- genocidicbunny 3y agoOnly if you have right of way. You still treat it as a yield, which means if you don't have a right of way, you stop completely.
- dmix 3y agoRolling is usually slow enough to stop on a dime from my experience. The problem is cyclists who continue at full speed and then decide to react last second.
- genocidicbunny 3y agoAnd I am willing to concede that on a bike, as long as you are just slow rolling and not impinging on the right of way such that it confuses other drivers, it's fine. But I have also seen plenty of cyclists who slow roll into the middle of the lane and then act indignant when they get honked at for blocking traffic; At that point, there's very little difference from having just blown through the intersection at full speed.
- dmix 3y agoYes there is a hostility between drivers and bikers and bikers and cars, where they both build up resentment and settled for this hostile middle ground where they both treat the others poorly. Not to mention plenty of people in both are just dumb or ignorant of their surroundings
- ExoticPearTree 3y agoJust to nitpick a little, let's use the word cyclists, not bikers. I feel that bikers actually obey traffic signs more than cyclists do.
- dmix 3y ago> Just to nitpick a little, let's use the word cyclists, not bikers Humans are capable of gleaning from context. > I feel that bikers actually obey traffic signs more than cyclists do. Motorcycles have completely different traffic laws, both legally and socially... so yes they would follow car style traffic rules more closely than a cyclist.
- lmm 3y agoSounds like you're deliberately using a longer, more activist-sounding word to "other" people you don't like.
- ExoticPearTree 3y agoIt is because I ride a motorcycle also I feel like putting me in the same basket with cyclists is not fair.
- elwebmaster 3y agoCyclists are just dangerous and until we look at statistics we can’t assume that AI does worse than humans in protecting cyclists. As a driver, it took me many years to get into the habit of shoulder checking when turning right from the right lane. I always have my turning signal but to cyclists it doesn’t mean much, they will always try to pass me on the right on the intersection. Cyclists sometimes behave as though they are pedestrians and other times they behave as vehicles, depending on what is convenient. Or that may just be me trying to rationalize their erratic behavior. There are no traffic lights or signs for cyclists.
- fnfjfk 3y agoIf you are turning across a curbside bike lane then you need to yield. A bike lane is a traffic lane, you need to wait for it to be clear before turning, and yes, you need to check your shoulder on roads with bike lanes.
- Brananarchy 3y agoBike lanes aside, if they aren't checking their shoulder they could also easily hit a person approaching the crosswalk. GP is just a shitty driver, is my takeaway.
- cozzyd 3y agogenerally it's the motorists who are dangerous to the cyclists... when's the last time someone in a car was injured by a bicycle?
- genocidicbunny 3y agoDirectly? Don't know that I have. But just a few days ago I saw someone that had to slam on their brakes to avoid hitting a cyclist that did not have right of way through an intersection, slide off the road into a tree. I don't know if they were injured physically, but the financial damage was probably not insignificant.
- lmm 3y ago