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I saw a video of these things in action killing somebody on the battlefield, it was truly disgusting. Seeing videos like that has made me feel like I don’t care

by Dig1t 3y ago

I saw a video of these things in action killing somebody on the battlefield, it was truly disgusting. Seeing videos like that has made me feel like I don’t care who wins the conflict anymore, it just needs to come to an end.

atlasunshrugged 3y ago
Watch some of the clips of the Bucha massacre of innocent civilians and I hope you will reassess. The war is brutal, but a bad "peace" could be worse. https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008299178/ukraine-bucha-russia-massacre-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008299178/u...
kspacewalk2 3y ago
It's no more and no less "disgusting" than being burned in an APC, have your limbs torn off in a trench by an artillery shell, or slowly bleeding out after being shot in a field. You just normally don't see those deaths, and here you saw one. Why does that make you not care who wins this war, the ones waging a fascist colonial war or the ones defending their families from it?
kstenerud 3y ago
People felt this way about Europe in WW2 as well. Freedom is paid for in blood. People forget that after a few generations of peace, and then we have to pay again because we grew complacent.
- euroderf 3y ago
  Wars seem to come and go in 50-ish year cycles. The experiences of the grandfathers are forgotten.
  - missedthecue 3y ago
    Not so sure. The WW2 generation plowed millions of men and billions of dollars into Vietnam.
    - euroderf 3y ago
      Only a rough guide.
Icingdeath 3y ago
Appeasement doesn't work with this aggressor; it only emboldens them and increases the likelihood of another landgrab in a few years. The only thing they understand is force.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  Wanting the war to end is reasonable. Not caring who wins is extremely naive or selfish
  - Icingdeath 3y ago
    Exactly, that's why supporting Ukraine is extremely important. As long as the aggressor still thinks there's a chance to conquer more territory, the war won't end.
    - rdevsrex 3y ago
      I would say that the US also belongs in the agressor camp.
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
        Do you mean globally in general? They're obviously not the aggressor in Ukraine. My Ukrainian friends didn't have their their family home annihilated US shells directly or indirectly.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Whether you are an agressor or not depends on the conflict. One can be both in different conflicts, and even change roles over time in the same conflict.
        HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
        Yes, and in the Russian-Ukranian war Russia is the aggressor.
morkalork 3y ago
That's a rather simplistic view of things. Anyways I'm not going get into it and instead leave you with a quote from Mr. Sherman: >You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.

by Dig1t 3y ago

atlasunshrugged 3y ago

Watch some of the clips of the Bucha massacre of innocent civilians and I hope you will reassess. The war is brutal, but a bad "peace" could be worse. https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008299178/ukraine-bucha-russia-massacre-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008299178/u...

kspacewalk2 3y ago

It's no more and no less "disgusting" than being burned in an APC, have your limbs torn off in a trench by an artillery shell, or slowly bleeding out after being shot in a field. You just normally don't see those deaths, and here you saw one. Why does that make you not care who wins this war, the ones waging a fascist colonial war or the ones defending their families from it?

kstenerud 3y ago

People felt this way about Europe in WW2 as well. Freedom is paid for in blood. People forget that after a few generations of peace, and then we have to pay again because we grew complacent.

euroderf 3y ago
Wars seem to come and go in 50-ish year cycles. The experiences of the grandfathers are forgotten.
- missedthecue 3y ago
  Not so sure. The WW2 generation plowed millions of men and billions of dollars into Vietnam.
  - euroderf 3y ago
    Only a rough guide.

Icingdeath 3y ago

Appeasement doesn't work with this aggressor; it only emboldens them and increases the likelihood of another landgrab in a few years. The only thing they understand is force.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
Wanting the war to end is reasonable. Not caring who wins is extremely naive or selfish
- Icingdeath 3y ago
  Exactly, that's why supporting Ukraine is extremely important. As long as the aggressor still thinks there's a chance to conquer more territory, the war won't end.
  - rdevsrex 3y ago
    I would say that the US also belongs in the agressor camp.
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
      Do you mean globally in general? They're obviously not the aggressor in Ukraine. My Ukrainian friends didn't have their their family home annihilated US shells directly or indirectly.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Whether you are an agressor or not depends on the conflict. One can be both in different conflicts, and even change roles over time in the same conflict.
        HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
        Yes, and in the Russian-Ukranian war Russia is the aggressor.

morkalork 3y ago

That's a rather simplistic view of things. Anyways I'm not going get into it and instead leave you with a quote from Mr. Sherman: >You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.