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> Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. If you think the complaint about google search is that it isn't as good as cha

by noqc 3y ago

> Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. If you think the complaint about google search is that it isn't as good as chatgpt, I think you might be not listening. The problem with google search is that it's worse than it was

kibwen 3y ago
To be fair, Google Search is worse today because the web is worse today. But to be ultra-fair, the web is worse today because of the perverse incentives created by Google Search and Google Ads.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Who was a key player in ensuring the web is worse do you think?
  - scarmig 3y ago
    If you had to pin it on a single actor, Google. Ads have corrupted the original vision of the web. When you offer a path for other actors to monetize the web, they will, and Google did that more than anybody.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Google has made so many "death of the web" moves over the past few years that it's hard for them not to be implicated in the current situation. If they've shat in their own pants, well that's too bad.
- postalrat 3y ago
  They could have prevented a lot if they stuck to penalizing when users received a different document than the googlebot got for indexing.
jszymborski 3y ago
I was puzzling over this argument as well. Is it possible GP was talking about SEO spam enabled by LLMs like ChatGPT? That's the most charitable read on it I can give it. Because I can guarantee you my problem with Google Search has nothing to do with chat assistants, and if that is sincerely your position, I'd seriously consider trying to find perspective.
- scarmig 3y ago
  LLMs are an obvious threat to web search, and guaranteed Google is already seeing their effects. What they have done is given people an alternative to interacting with human knowledge via Google search. It was falling in quality before, but in the general case no one had an alternative (and so it would still generate the same revenues). But ChatGPT is not only a substitute but a superior product, so people actually move to it instead of kvetching about the decline.
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asah 3y ago
Apologies, I was making a deeper point, which is that search is going through a period of disruption and the endgame will be something more like ChatGPT and less like a lost of 10 links. To address your concern, yes [low quality content] will still exist but it won't look at all like today's stuff. Too soon to tell. In periods like these, the British saying applies to users: keep calm and carry on. The American saying: bitchin' ain't switchin'.

by noqc 3y ago

kibwen 3y ago

To be fair, Google Search is worse today because the web is worse today. But to be ultra-fair, the web is worse today because of the perverse incentives created by Google Search and Google Ads.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Who was a key player in ensuring the web is worse do you think?
- scarmig 3y ago
  If you had to pin it on a single actor, Google. Ads have corrupted the original vision of the web. When you offer a path for other actors to monetize the web, they will, and Google did that more than anybody.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Google has made so many "death of the web" moves over the past few years that it's hard for them not to be implicated in the current situation. If they've shat in their own pants, well that's too bad.
postalrat 3y ago
They could have prevented a lot if they stuck to penalizing when users received a different document than the googlebot got for indexing.

jszymborski 3y ago

I was puzzling over this argument as well. Is it possible GP was talking about SEO spam enabled by LLMs like ChatGPT? That's the most charitable read on it I can give it. Because I can guarantee you my problem with Google Search has nothing to do with chat assistants, and if that is sincerely your position, I'd seriously consider trying to find perspective.

scarmig 3y ago
LLMs are an obvious threat to web search, and guaranteed Google is already seeing their effects. What they have done is given people an alternative to interacting with human knowledge via Google search. It was falling in quality before, but in the general case no one had an alternative (and so it would still generate the same revenues). But ChatGPT is not only a substitute but a superior product, so people actually move to it instead of kvetching about the decline.

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asah 3y ago

Apologies, I was making a deeper point, which is that search is going through a period of disruption and the endgame will be something more like ChatGPT and less like a lost of 10 links. To address your concern, yes [low quality content] will still exist but it won't look at all like today's stuff. Too soon to tell. In periods like these, the British saying applies to users: keep calm and carry on. The American saying: bitchin' ain't switchin'.