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New Zealand set to be first country to ban PFAS in cosmetic products

141 points by crescit_eundo 3y ago

crescit_eundo 3y ago
https://archive.is/w0KQ1 https://archive.is/w0KQ1
soperj 3y ago
I wonder if that includes dental floss.
- bdcravens 3y ago
  Typically dental floss is categorized as hygiene, not cosmetics.
- hammock 3y ago
  Or contact lenses
- reilly3000 3y ago
  It is a fascinating vector for undesirable chemicals to seep straight into the bloodstream. Ironic if consistent flossing lowers heart disease risk but increases cancer risk.
andrewstuart 3y ago
The surprise is not that it’s newsworthy. The surprise is that this is allowed in the first place.
- dylan604 3y ago
  no, to me is that they are regulating skin care/cosmetic products at all.
bethekind 3y ago
Off topic, but you can think of PFAS as micro plastics at the molecular level. We humans can metabolize/excrete the shorter ones (common in food wrappers, cosmetics, fire fighting foam) over months to years, but the longer ones (mostly banned in the 2010's IIRC) are usually never metabolized and slowly build up in the body and mess things up. Like cancer rates near DuPont GenX factories or fire fighters having higher rates of testicular cancer. TLDR: PFASes are bad, NZ is doing a good thing. Not sure if we have replacement chemicals for PFAS yet, but I hope so
- Hugsun 3y ago
  Sometimes, we can't have nice things. PFAS seems to be one of those times. There only seem to be application specific replacements, e.g. ceramic pan coatings and glass mouse skates. The properties of PFAS are in a class of their own. All the known replacements are other PFAS.
  - danielheath 3y ago
    “Molecule is extremely durable” and “molecule does not accumulate in the body” are inherently at odds; the design space in which those properties arise lends itself naturally to insidious poisons.
    - aplummer 3y ago
      Wouldn’t that describe things like gold? Harmless if both are true?
totetsu 3y ago
And in the cultural dispatch from NZ, There is also this “Carnival of Toxicity” held at the site of the former Fruitgrowers Chemical Company, https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/301034373/extreme-picnickers-get-on-their-mutant-hobby-horses https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/301034373/extreme-p...
refurb 3y ago
They aren't really used in cosmetics anyways... "“International research suggests PFAS are only found in a small number of products, but we take a precautionary approach to potential risks from PFAS. Banning these chemicals in cosmetics is part of our ongoing response, which includes phasing out all PFAS-firefighting foams and testing for background levels of PFAS in the New Zealand environment.”" https://www.epa.govt.nz/news-and-alerts/latest-news/epa-bans-forever-chemicals-in-cosmetic-products/ https://www.epa.govt.nz/news-and-alerts/latest-news/epa-bans...
throwaway290 3y ago
Wait, PFAS is generally allowed in cosmetic products? Mind blown... Doesn't it like accumulate in body?
- retrochameleon 3y ago
  Yup, everything you hear about "microplastics" is mostly talking about PFAS.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Microplastics is also xenoestrogens and a bunch of other stuff and nanoplastics too, reducing it to "just pfas" is ridiculous
    - retrochameleon 3y ago
      Why are you responding with a throwaway? You directly misquoted me. PFAS is widely known as a major contributor. I did not use the word "just".
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        And you are responding under your legal name? You said mostly, which is patently false if you look at what microplastics and nanoplastics are
hparadiz 3y ago
Cosmetics contain a ton of micro plastics. Anything with glitter is just microplastics all the way down
emptybits 3y ago
Good move. TFA doesn't go into details about how to actually recognize PFAS by name in an ingredients list. The FDA lists 35 PFAS apparently used in cosmetics here: (near end of doc) https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetic-ingredients/and-polyfluoroalkyl-substances-pfas-cosmetics https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetic-ingredients/and-polyf...
crtified 3y ago
Unfortunately this news is a positive consolation fronting a general backdrop of environmentally and socially regressive policies from the freshly elected right-wing New Zealand government coalition. Elected in the aftermath of Jacinda Ardern's globally acclaimed Covid management - acclaimed outside New Zealand that is! It did not go down so well with a proportion of the NZ population, who resented lockdown and control, and needed a scapegoat for all ills, feeling that her government's failure to simultaneously reform all of New Zealand's systems and economy was unforgivable. As a result, New Zealand now has a new government of markedly different ilk, whose agenda includes new and increased mining and gas exploration, including conservation land [1] ; removal of fair pay legislation for workers; reinstating of tobacco sales to certain age groups formerly subject to upcoming bans; divisive race-based uproars; removal of sex education in schools; a shift of transport focus away from alternatives like walking, cycling and public transport, and back to cars and road-building; removal of a tax upon high-emission vehicles; removal of a clean car (EV) subsidy - after the new Prime Minister's wife has taken advantage of it, naturally; and so on. Accordingly, while I laud the headline in and of itself, it does little to salve my current environmental and social shame in being a New Zealander today, all things considered. [1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/shane-jones-gone-full-trump-declared-war-on-nature-with-mining-comments-conservation-group-says.html https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/shane-jones-...
- andersrs 3y ago
  I hate the National party as much as you and those are valid criticisms but you should take an honest look at what really happened here; The previous government lost rather than the new one winning. https://pastebin.com/91S1BQ2B https://pastebin.com/91S1BQ2B Labour failed on the things they campaigned on like house prices and child poverty. The covid hero mask can only last so long. People have had enough of the woke policy, money wasted on endless consultants and race based shake downs, sky high cost of living, broken healthcare and so on. Anyway the thread is about PFAS so this is all quite tangential!
  - crtified 3y ago
    It's ironic that almost everything in your long list of Labour's financial sins is equalled in $ by National's one single move of new tax-breaks for landlords. It puts into clear context the way that appearances trumped objectivity, when it came to the country's electoral fickleness. It's also ironic that what you're here lauding - the PFAS story - is an initiative which occurred under Ardern's government. It's not the kind of thing you'll be seeing in the results of the new one. So yes, the thread is about PFAS, but its secondary framing is that of lauding New Zealand for an environmental positive. And, in that same light, its quite relevant to mention in the same breath that New Zealand is also taking several, arguably much larger, steps backwards environmentally - pulling back the country's environmental focus, in favour of business and commercial interests, due to having elected a right-wing government which stands in stark contrast to the "kind, positive" aspirational style that the world remembers from Ardern. 'New Zealand leads the way environmentally' is a style of story the world will be seeing less of, the more terms this new government has.
andersrs 3y ago
Every product (and packaging) needs a list of ingredients just like food. It's insane that tea bags, pizza boxes and popcorn bags are coated in this toxic PFAS!
smallmouth 3y ago
Not to sound like a jerk, but why is NZ concerned about PFAs in cosmetics when they were so forceful about getting their population jabbed with the mRNA injections?
- someotherperson 3y ago
  PFAS have no health benefits, subjective or objective.
- lm28469 3y ago
  Is there a link between PFAS and mrna vaccines?

141 points by crescit_eundo 3y ago

crescit_eundo 3y ago

https://archive.is/w0KQ1 https://archive.is/w0KQ1

soperj 3y ago

I wonder if that includes dental floss.

bdcravens 3y ago
Typically dental floss is categorized as hygiene, not cosmetics.
hammock 3y ago
Or contact lenses
reilly3000 3y ago
It is a fascinating vector for undesirable chemicals to seep straight into the bloodstream. Ironic if consistent flossing lowers heart disease risk but increases cancer risk.

andrewstuart 3y ago

The surprise is not that it’s newsworthy. The surprise is that this is allowed in the first place.

dylan604 3y ago
no, to me is that they are regulating skin care/cosmetic products at all.

bethekind 3y ago

Off topic, but you can think of PFAS as micro plastics at the molecular level. We humans can metabolize/excrete the shorter ones (common in food wrappers, cosmetics, fire fighting foam) over months to years, but the longer ones (mostly banned in the 2010's IIRC) are usually never metabolized and slowly build up in the body and mess things up. Like cancer rates near DuPont GenX factories or fire fighters having higher rates of testicular cancer. TLDR: PFASes are bad, NZ is doing a good thing. Not sure if we have replacement chemicals for PFAS yet, but I hope so

Hugsun 3y ago
Sometimes, we can't have nice things. PFAS seems to be one of those times. There only seem to be application specific replacements, e.g. ceramic pan coatings and glass mouse skates. The properties of PFAS are in a class of their own. All the known replacements are other PFAS.
- danielheath 3y ago
  “Molecule is extremely durable” and “molecule does not accumulate in the body” are inherently at odds; the design space in which those properties arise lends itself naturally to insidious poisons.
  - aplummer 3y ago
    Wouldn’t that describe things like gold? Harmless if both are true?

totetsu 3y ago

And in the cultural dispatch from NZ, There is also this “Carnival of Toxicity” held at the site of the former Fruitgrowers Chemical Company, https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/301034373/extreme-picnickers-get-on-their-mutant-hobby-horses https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/301034373/extreme-p...

refurb 3y ago

They aren't really used in cosmetics anyways... "“International research suggests PFAS are only found in a small number of products, but we take a precautionary approach to potential risks from PFAS. Banning these chemicals in cosmetics is part of our ongoing response, which includes phasing out all PFAS-firefighting foams and testing for background levels of PFAS in the New Zealand environment.”" https://www.epa.govt.nz/news-and-alerts/latest-news/epa-bans-forever-chemicals-in-cosmetic-products/ https://www.epa.govt.nz/news-and-alerts/latest-news/epa-bans...

throwaway290 3y ago

Wait, PFAS is generally allowed in cosmetic products? Mind blown... Doesn't it like accumulate in body?

retrochameleon 3y ago
Yup, everything you hear about "microplastics" is mostly talking about PFAS.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  Microplastics is also xenoestrogens and a bunch of other stuff and nanoplastics too, reducing it to "just pfas" is ridiculous
  - retrochameleon 3y ago
    Why are you responding with a throwaway? You directly misquoted me. PFAS is widely known as a major contributor. I did not use the word "just".
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      And you are responding under your legal name? You said mostly, which is patently false if you look at what microplastics and nanoplastics are

hparadiz 3y ago

Cosmetics contain a ton of micro plastics. Anything with glitter is just microplastics all the way down

emptybits 3y ago

Good move. TFA doesn't go into details about how to actually recognize PFAS by name in an ingredients list. The FDA lists 35 PFAS apparently used in cosmetics here: (near end of doc) https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetic-ingredients/and-polyfluoroalkyl-substances-pfas-cosmetics https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetic-ingredients/and-polyf...

crtified 3y ago

Unfortunately this news is a positive consolation fronting a general backdrop of environmentally and socially regressive policies from the freshly elected right-wing New Zealand government coalition. Elected in the aftermath of Jacinda Ardern's globally acclaimed Covid management - acclaimed outside New Zealand that is! It did not go down so well with a proportion of the NZ population, who resented lockdown and control, and needed a scapegoat for all ills, feeling that her government's failure to simultaneously reform all of New Zealand's systems and economy was unforgivable. As a result, New Zealand now has a new government of markedly different ilk, whose agenda includes new and increased mining and gas exploration, including conservation land [1] ; removal of fair pay legislation for workers; reinstating of tobacco sales to certain age groups formerly subject to upcoming bans; divisive race-based uproars; removal of sex education in schools; a shift of transport focus away from alternatives like walking, cycling and public transport, and back to cars and road-building; removal of a tax upon high-emission vehicles; removal of a clean car (EV) subsidy - after the new Prime Minister's wife has taken advantage of it, naturally; and so on. Accordingly, while I laud the headline in and of itself, it does little to salve my current environmental and social shame in being a New Zealander today, all things considered. [1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/shane-jones-gone-full-trump-declared-war-on-nature-with-mining-comments-conservation-group-says.html https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/shane-jones-...

andersrs 3y ago
I hate the National party as much as you and those are valid criticisms but you should take an honest look at what really happened here; The previous government lost rather than the new one winning. https://pastebin.com/91S1BQ2B https://pastebin.com/91S1BQ2B Labour failed on the things they campaigned on like house prices and child poverty. The covid hero mask can only last so long. People have had enough of the woke policy, money wasted on endless consultants and race based shake downs, sky high cost of living, broken healthcare and so on. Anyway the thread is about PFAS so this is all quite tangential!
- crtified 3y ago
  It's ironic that almost everything in your long list of Labour's financial sins is equalled in $ by National's one single move of new tax-breaks for landlords. It puts into clear context the way that appearances trumped objectivity, when it came to the country's electoral fickleness. It's also ironic that what you're here lauding - the PFAS story - is an initiative which occurred under Ardern's government. It's not the kind of thing you'll be seeing in the results of the new one. So yes, the thread is about PFAS, but its secondary framing is that of lauding New Zealand for an environmental positive. And, in that same light, its quite relevant to mention in the same breath that New Zealand is also taking several, arguably much larger, steps backwards environmentally - pulling back the country's environmental focus, in favour of business and commercial interests, due to having elected a right-wing government which stands in stark contrast to the "kind, positive" aspirational style that the world remembers from Ardern. 'New Zealand leads the way environmentally' is a style of story the world will be seeing less of, the more terms this new government has.

andersrs 3y ago

Every product (and packaging) needs a list of ingredients just like food. It's insane that tea bags, pizza boxes and popcorn bags are coated in this toxic PFAS!

smallmouth 3y ago

Not to sound like a jerk, but why is NZ concerned about PFAs in cosmetics when they were so forceful about getting their population jabbed with the mRNA injections?

someotherperson 3y ago
PFAS have no health benefits, subjective or objective.
lm28469 3y ago
Is there a link between PFAS and mrna vaccines?