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Hmm. Isnt the world aware that these sites already provide the government with all the info they could possibly want? You cant get privacy if you use any ameri

Hmm. Isnt the world aware that these sites already provide the government with all the info they could possibly want? You cant get privacy if you use any american company. This should be well known by now. Just for reference, here is a nice list of 800+ massive companies who support CISPA: http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/cispa-supporters-list-800-companies-that-could-help-uncle-sam-snag-your-data/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/cispa-supporters-list-800-c... We are experiencing the last days of freedom on the Internet. Our generation is the last one. Enjoy while it lasts.

zacharypinter 14y ago
I share your concerns, though I don't necessarily agree that it's the last days of freedom on the internet. With peer to peer and encryption any number of secure platforms can and have been built that are impossible for third parties to spy on. However, just because we can build these, doesn't mean they'll get the critical mass required for use. People will still gravitate towards the cool/popular/easy-to-use systems like Facebook, GTalk, Google Hangouts, Skype, etc. Those systems will be increasingly subject to eavesdropping and a general lack of privacy. The irony is that even if this bill went through and got every major internet company to provide backdoors for wiretapping, they'd only be catching the low hanging fruit.
- cnbeuiwx 14y ago
  I think you and me and other people into computers will always find ways to avoid big brother. But if 99% of the population is being watched (since the majority will gladly give up privacy for convenience), its not a very free internet anymore. Yes, government acts such as these would be ironic IF they were about fighting "terrorism" (lol). But thats just their excuse.
  - Monotoko 14y ago
    Before '95 I'm sure anyone you asked, who was online, could tell you about basic HTML, circumventing blocks, security and even some basic CS knowledge. These days, everybody is online, mainly for easy to use services like Facebook, they don't give a crap how it works. The 99%, are the 99% who were not online twenty years ago, the 1% are the people who were (or would have been) online 20 years ago.
  - enqk 14y ago
    Which leads me to wonder, why do they need surveillance of the common man. The government does not trust its citizen. Is it because it knows it has turned its citizenry into something that can be manipulated?
    - cnbeuiwx 14y ago
      There are many theories. But lets look at what they are doing: - They dont care about their spending (US national debt is insane). - They dont put any money in improving the country (almost everything goes to the war machine). Only a country who knows none of this is going to matter in the future would do this since its suicidal, obviously. So why is it not going to matter? I dont think we want to know... but the survellience is there for them to feel safe against us when it happens.

zacharypinter 14y ago

I share your concerns, though I don't necessarily agree that it's the last days of freedom on the internet. With peer to peer and encryption any number of secure platforms can and have been built that are impossible for third parties to spy on. However, just because we can build these, doesn't mean they'll get the critical mass required for use. People will still gravitate towards the cool/popular/easy-to-use systems like Facebook, GTalk, Google Hangouts, Skype, etc. Those systems will be increasingly subject to eavesdropping and a general lack of privacy. The irony is that even if this bill went through and got every major internet company to provide backdoors for wiretapping, they'd only be catching the low hanging fruit.

cnbeuiwx 14y ago
I think you and me and other people into computers will always find ways to avoid big brother. But if 99% of the population is being watched (since the majority will gladly give up privacy for convenience), its not a very free internet anymore. Yes, government acts such as these would be ironic IF they were about fighting "terrorism" (lol). But thats just their excuse.
- Monotoko 14y ago
  Before '95 I'm sure anyone you asked, who was online, could tell you about basic HTML, circumventing blocks, security and even some basic CS knowledge. These days, everybody is online, mainly for easy to use services like Facebook, they don't give a crap how it works. The 99%, are the 99% who were not online twenty years ago, the 1% are the people who were (or would have been) online 20 years ago.
- enqk 14y ago
  Which leads me to wonder, why do they need surveillance of the common man. The government does not trust its citizen. Is it because it knows it has turned its citizenry into something that can be manipulated?
  - cnbeuiwx 14y ago
    There are many theories. But lets look at what they are doing: - They dont care about their spending (US national debt is insane). - They dont put any money in improving the country (almost everything goes to the war machine). Only a country who knows none of this is going to matter in the future would do this since its suicidal, obviously. So why is it not going to matter? I dont think we want to know... but the survellience is there for them to feel safe against us when it happens.