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Shell permanently closes Hydrogen filling stations in CA

20 points by jnsaff2 3y ago

mac3n 3y ago
Many (25) years ago at a conference on driving-directions technology. someone remarked that the whole Hydrogen Economy whas being used as an R&D scam to forestall real progress reducing fossil fuels. Which doesn't mean it isn't inherently a good idea.
- hakfoo 3y ago
  I keep hearing the excuse for hydrogen being things like freight trucks that need hundreds of kilometres of range. It seems that for a fraction of the cost of building hydrogen, they could outfit them with pantographs and run trolley wire over major highways; suddenly, you only need 100km of battery when you get on and off the freeway instead of 800 for a day's travels.
  - hulitu 3y ago
    > suddenly, you only need 100km of battery when you get on and off the freeway Except that, because of the battery, your truck is too heavy and it is not allowed to use those roads.
Klonoar 3y ago
Good luck to Mirai owners.
ulfw 3y ago
Well that went well.
alexfromapex 3y ago
Is this a PR campaign against hydrogen? Maybe Shell isn’t the best prosyletizer of alternatives to their gigantic oil business.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  This is reality setting in. The stations were an attempt to keep using fossil fuels long term (reforming methane into hydrogen). The PR is dying in the face of the global EV ramp. https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-natural-gas-reforming https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-na... > Natural gas reforming is an advanced and mature production process that builds upon the existing natural gas pipeline delivery infrastructure. Today, 95% of the hydrogen produced in the United States is made by natural gas reforming in large central plants. This is an important technology pathway for near-term hydrogen production. TLDR EVs won.
  - hulitu 3y ago
    > TLDR EVs won. This year maybe. The economy is in a crysis, so only rich kids buy new cars.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-cars-pass-a-crucial-tipping-point-in-23-countries https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-...

20 points by jnsaff2 3y ago

Many (25) years ago at a conference on driving-directions technology. someone remarked that the whole Hydrogen Economy whas being used as an R&D scam to forestall real progress reducing fossil fuels. Which doesn't mean it isn't inherently a good idea.

hakfoo 3y ago
I keep hearing the excuse for hydrogen being things like freight trucks that need hundreds of kilometres of range. It seems that for a fraction of the cost of building hydrogen, they could outfit them with pantographs and run trolley wire over major highways; suddenly, you only need 100km of battery when you get on and off the freeway instead of 800 for a day's travels.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > suddenly, you only need 100km of battery when you get on and off the freeway Except that, because of the battery, your truck is too heavy and it is not allowed to use those roads.

Klonoar 3y ago

Good luck to Mirai owners.

ulfw 3y ago

Well that went well.

alexfromapex 3y ago

Is this a PR campaign against hydrogen? Maybe Shell isn’t the best prosyletizer of alternatives to their gigantic oil business.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
This is reality setting in. The stations were an attempt to keep using fossil fuels long term (reforming methane into hydrogen). The PR is dying in the face of the global EV ramp. https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-natural-gas-reforming https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-na... > Natural gas reforming is an advanced and mature production process that builds upon the existing natural gas pipeline delivery infrastructure. Today, 95% of the hydrogen produced in the United States is made by natural gas reforming in large central plants. This is an important technology pathway for near-term hydrogen production. TLDR EVs won.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > TLDR EVs won. This year maybe. The economy is in a crysis, so only rich kids buy new cars.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-cars-pass-a-crucial-tipping-point-in-23-countries https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-28/electric-...