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I think only some people who carry extra weight claim to battle hunger. > where it is assumed people are rejecting the natural feelings of satiety and delibera

I think only some people who carry extra weight claim to battle hunger. > where it is assumed people are rejecting the natural feelings of satiety and deliberately eating beyond the natural feelings of fullness... A lot of the "science of obesity" has historically hinged on the notion of gluttony or of eating disorders, I don't like the term gluttony here. I also don't think they deliberately eat past fullness. It's hard to explain, but it models pretty well like a drug addiction. IMO most drug users that struggle with addiction aren't necessarily "going hard". There's typically more to the story, just like food. It may not be some deep darkness in their soul, though it often is. Things like the attention you pay, your feelings, societal norms, etc. all factor in. So eating disorder might be appropriate in this case, but you have to accept "mild eating disorders" which most people in the USA probably have (and at least 20-50% of w. Europe, and growing); however perhaps not an eating disorder as we traditionally think. P.S. I'm not discounting the "hungry bois", as I understand they are out there too. It's probably about half the people "disordered" and half the people hungry; though it probably isn't a dichotomy

tpmoney 3y ago
>I think only some people who carry extra weight claim to battle hunger. I wonder to what extent that's because they've never properly felt not hungry? I've spoken on here recently about my experience with a medication that has reduced my appetite. If you'd asked me before the medication do I "battle hunger" I would have said no. Sure I would be hungry and want to eat, but I would have listed all sorts of reasons why I was struggling with food. Depression and stress, lack of self control, procrastination, not enough will power. I would have listed them all, but "hunger" would have been down towards the bottom of the list. And why wouldn't it be, every time I'd successfully managed to lose some weight, I did it with basic CICO calculations and a lot of "will power". Yeah I was hungry, but aren't you supposed to be hungry if you don't eat as much as you normally do? But this medication has given me a new perspective. Because for the first time since I was a teenager, I'm not hungry. I never noticed because I'd never not been hungry. I didn't really know what it felt like to be not hungry. Less hungry? Sure. Physically full? Sure. But the actual feeling of having eaten some food and just know it was enough and I don't need to eat any more? Never experienced before. In fact, for about the first week or so, I was convinced that the medication was giving me anxiety as a side effect. Part way through the day I'd start getting this twisting feeling in my stomach, and then it would happen again towards the end of the day. And then I realized that it was happening right around meal times. Right around when I should be getting hungry. It wasn't anxiety, it was being hungry after not being hungry. Again, never really had that experience before. But like I said, had you asked me before this, I don't think I would have ever suggested I "battled hunger".
- P_I_Staker 3y ago
  > Yeah I was hungry, but aren't you supposed to be hungry if you don't eat as much as you normally do? It depends. There was a time I was eating 1400 calories and exercising 1-2hrs, and I was quite young. I would say I noticed some depletion of energy, but I wasn't really too hungry. I also wouldn't say I had particularly good eating habits. When you lose weight it helps to adhere to patterns of eating that promote fullness. Plenty of fruits and veg along with whole grains go a long way. However you must also eat much less desert and high calorie foods. > I wonder to what extent that's because they've never properly felt not hungry? I'm not sure what you mean, but this doesn't seem to be the way to think about it. It's more like an addiction to me, in that it involve many things, not necessarily including despair and mental illness, but they're often involved. To your point, I would say I have felt depleted of energy during weight loss. It really is about total nutrition. If I had known then what I know now, I'd have eaten 2000-2200 cal to lose 1-2lbs / week, and felt totally fine. However the point of being able to consume 900net cals at basically your caloric max age and still be content and feel "not hungry" has always been interesting to me. Although, I think I drank tons of coffee.

tpmoney 3y ago

>I think only some people who carry extra weight claim to battle hunger. I wonder to what extent that's because they've never properly felt not hungry? I've spoken on here recently about my experience with a medication that has reduced my appetite. If you'd asked me before the medication do I "battle hunger" I would have said no. Sure I would be hungry and want to eat, but I would have listed all sorts of reasons why I was struggling with food. Depression and stress, lack of self control, procrastination, not enough will power. I would have listed them all, but "hunger" would have been down towards the bottom of the list. And why wouldn't it be, every time I'd successfully managed to lose some weight, I did it with basic CICO calculations and a lot of "will power". Yeah I was hungry, but aren't you supposed to be hungry if you don't eat as much as you normally do? But this medication has given me a new perspective. Because for the first time since I was a teenager, I'm not hungry. I never noticed because I'd never not been hungry. I didn't really know what it felt like to be not hungry. Less hungry? Sure. Physically full? Sure. But the actual feeling of having eaten some food and just know it was enough and I don't need to eat any more? Never experienced before. In fact, for about the first week or so, I was convinced that the medication was giving me anxiety as a side effect. Part way through the day I'd start getting this twisting feeling in my stomach, and then it would happen again towards the end of the day. And then I realized that it was happening right around meal times. Right around when I should be getting hungry. It wasn't anxiety, it was being hungry after not being hungry. Again, never really had that experience before. But like I said, had you asked me before this, I don't think I would have ever suggested I "battled hunger".

P_I_Staker 3y ago
> Yeah I was hungry, but aren't you supposed to be hungry if you don't eat as much as you normally do? It depends. There was a time I was eating 1400 calories and exercising 1-2hrs, and I was quite young. I would say I noticed some depletion of energy, but I wasn't really too hungry. I also wouldn't say I had particularly good eating habits. When you lose weight it helps to adhere to patterns of eating that promote fullness. Plenty of fruits and veg along with whole grains go a long way. However you must also eat much less desert and high calorie foods. > I wonder to what extent that's because they've never properly felt not hungry? I'm not sure what you mean, but this doesn't seem to be the way to think about it. It's more like an addiction to me, in that it involve many things, not necessarily including despair and mental illness, but they're often involved. To your point, I would say I have felt depleted of energy during weight loss. It really is about total nutrition. If I had known then what I know now, I'd have eaten 2000-2200 cal to lose 1-2lbs / week, and felt totally fine. However the point of being able to consume 900net cals at basically your caloric max age and still be content and feel "not hungry" has always been interesting to me. Although, I think I drank tons of coffee.