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Sorry if I mistook your intent. However: More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Really, you should lo

Sorry if I mistook your intent. However: More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Really, you should look more closely at automotive industry rankings. This is basically fodder for the legacy media, which has deservedly lost a lot of credibility. For that matter, take a close look at media covering these things. So many of these things are gamed. Also look up what Peter Thiel says about incumbency, ossification, and lack of true innovation in today's industry. It's not that the emperor has no clothes, but things a lot skimpier than they're supposed to be.

bane 3y ago
I broadly agree with you on your points, and as a Tesla shareholder with a slightly embarrassing amount of money tied up in them, I have nothing but self-interested desire for them to do well. What seems to happen often with owners of the vehicles is that they are so enamored with many of the benefits of them, that they overlook some issues -- sometimes to the point where they don't or won't acknowledge them. And use this very biased point of view to extend their positive feelings and anecdotes towards the entire brand. I also personally believe that things that were issues with traditional ICE cars simply aren't the same kind of problem with electrics, or of the same magnitude. So even similar sounding problems are more a matter of degree than equavalency. In addition, there are benefits to electrics that have no real equivalency with ICE cars. What I do know is that if you do even the most cursory research on the overall large-scale and longterm reliability of the vehicles...which because Tesla isn't forthcoming with their data has to be accumulated voluntarily by survey...the cars don't do well. However, it's really not that important to most owners as the vehicles as again, the benefits simply overwhelm all of that. Things that would be unacceptable to an owner of a Toyota really does just get a free pass with a Tesla.
- stcredzero 3y ago
  Things that would be unacceptable to an owner of a Toyota really does just get a free pass with a Tesla. Perhaps my experience is atypical, but I had way more issues (not just hassles) with my last Toyota Corolla.

bane 3y ago

I broadly agree with you on your points, and as a Tesla shareholder with a slightly embarrassing amount of money tied up in them, I have nothing but self-interested desire for them to do well. What seems to happen often with owners of the vehicles is that they are so enamored with many of the benefits of them, that they overlook some issues -- sometimes to the point where they don't or won't acknowledge them. And use this very biased point of view to extend their positive feelings and anecdotes towards the entire brand. I also personally believe that things that were issues with traditional ICE cars simply aren't the same kind of problem with electrics, or of the same magnitude. So even similar sounding problems are more a matter of degree than equavalency. In addition, there are benefits to electrics that have no real equivalency with ICE cars. What I do know is that if you do even the most cursory research on the overall large-scale and longterm reliability of the vehicles...which because Tesla isn't forthcoming with their data has to be accumulated voluntarily by survey...the cars don't do well. However, it's really not that important to most owners as the vehicles as again, the benefits simply overwhelm all of that. Things that would be unacceptable to an owner of a Toyota really does just get a free pass with a Tesla.

stcredzero 3y ago
Things that would be unacceptable to an owner of a Toyota really does just get a free pass with a Tesla. Perhaps my experience is atypical, but I had way more issues (not just hassles) with my last Toyota Corolla.