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At least you hope, it is more power efficient due to advanced manufacturing process. And then a totally disappointment: new CPU consumes significantly more both

At least you hope, it is more power efficient due to advanced manufacturing process. And then a totally disappointment: new CPU consumes significantly more both under load and idle. The AI-extensions are also missing. ECC is missing in all 8300G/8500G/8600G/8700G.

tremon 3y ago
Got a link for the ECC claim? Last I read, the ECC issues with the AM5 platform were mostly fixed (at least many vendors are claiming ECC compatibility again, which they didn't a year ago).
- kvemkon 3y ago
  I've just searched for official ECC support on * 8700G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14066 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14066 * 8600G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14071 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14071 * 8500G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14086 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14086 * 8300G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14091 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14091 5xxxG are also known for missing official support, only PRO favors have it. Since ECC is for robustness I'd really prefer when both AMD and ASUS/ASRock/Gigabyte/MSI/... mention ECC support in the specification. Last time I've checked, only ASUS did mention it for consumer AM5 mainboards. (Gigabyte did it for (at least) one simple but expensive server mainboard.) While for AM4 it wasn't such an issue for other manufacturers too.
- RussianCow 3y ago
  Historically, only the PRO variants of AMD's APUs have supported ECC.
toast0 3y ago
If comparing to 5600g/5700g, there's no difference in AI extensions or ECC. AI is new for 8600g/8700g, and ECC is only in "pro" APUs.
undersuit 3y ago
Which review are you reading? The 8500G beats the 5700G and the 5600G in every comparison with Watts per some performance metric. https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/pytorch-cpu-1-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/pytorch-cpu-64-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/tensorflow-cpu-1-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/tensorflow-cpu-1-vgg-16-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/tensorflow-cpu-64-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/ffmpeg-libx265-platform-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/ffmpeg-libx265-video-on-demand-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/svt-av1-preset-13-bosphorus-4k-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/svt-vp9-vqo-bosphorus-4k-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/kvazaar-bosphorus-4k-medium-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/astc-encoder-exhaustive-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/nginx-1000-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... <- An Intel I5(and only the I5) beats AMD on this singular benchmark. https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/embree-pathtracer-ispc-crown-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/7-zip-compression-dr-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/quantlib-multi-threaded-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... Yes, the 5700g and 5600g can score lower amount of peak power, but you need to compare the power used against a metric like time to calculate efficiency. The $179 8500G is competing with the $449 Ryzen 7 7800X3D in efficiency. It's a blood bath.

tremon 3y ago

Got a link for the ECC claim? Last I read, the ECC issues with the AM5 platform were mostly fixed (at least many vendors are claiming ECC compatibility again, which they didn't a year ago).

kvemkon 3y ago
I've just searched for official ECC support on * 8700G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14066 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14066 * 8600G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14071 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14071 * 8500G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14086 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14086 * 8300G https://www.amd.com/en/product/14091 https://www.amd.com/en/product/14091 5xxxG are also known for missing official support, only PRO favors have it. Since ECC is for robustness I'd really prefer when both AMD and ASUS/ASRock/Gigabyte/MSI/... mention ECC support in the specification. Last time I've checked, only ASUS did mention it for consumer AM5 mainboards. (Gigabyte did it for (at least) one simple but expensive server mainboard.) While for AM4 it wasn't such an issue for other manufacturers too.
RussianCow 3y ago
Historically, only the PRO variants of AMD's APUs have supported ECC.

toast0 3y ago

If comparing to 5600g/5700g, there's no difference in AI extensions or ECC. AI is new for 8600g/8700g, and ECC is only in "pro" APUs.

undersuit 3y ago

Which review are you reading? The 8500G beats the 5700G and the 5600G in every comparison with Watts per some performance metric. https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/pytorch-cpu-1-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/pytorch-cpu-64-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/tensorflow-cpu-1-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/tensorflow-cpu-1-vgg-16-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/tensorflow-cpu-64-resnet-50-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/ffmpeg-libx265-platform-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/ffmpeg-libx265-video-on-demand-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/svt-av1-preset-13-bosphorus-4k-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/svt-vp9-vqo-bosphorus-4k-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/kvazaar-bosphorus-4k-medium-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/astc-encoder-exhaustive-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/nginx-1000-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... <- An Intel I5(and only the I5) beats AMD on this singular benchmark. https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/embree-pathtracer-ispc-crown-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/7-zip-compression-dr-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linux-benchmarks/quantlib-multi-threaded-1.svgz https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/amd-ryzen-5-8500g-linu... Yes, the 5700g and 5600g can score lower amount of peak power, but you need to compare the power used against a metric like time to calculate efficiency. The $179 8500G is competing with the $449 Ryzen 7 7800X3D in efficiency. It's a blood bath.