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This review seems to miss one of the most important competitors. The Ryzen 5 7600 costs only $20 more, and performs a good deal better for not a whole lot more

This review seems to miss one of the most important competitors. The Ryzen 5 7600 costs only $20 more, and performs a good deal better for not a whole lot more power. I don't think there is a lot of customers to whom the iGPU difference is important, but not important enough to get a discreet graphics card.

babypuncher 3y ago
> I don't think there is a lot of customers to whom the iGPU difference is important, but not important enough to get a discreet graphics card. I think this is the exact segment of customers this chip is aiming for. You can throw this chip in a new build without a dedicated GPU, and get a playable (30+ fps) experience in Cyberpunk 2077. It's an option for someone wanting to spend entry-level money on a gaming PC with the option to upgrade to a real GPU further down the line. EDIT: Just realized this is the 8500g not the 8600g. The slower GPU and the fact that dedicated graphics would be limited to 4x PCI-E lanes make this a much less interesting as an entry-level gaming product.
- ColonelPhantom 3y ago
  Yeah, the 8500G is just not interesting in that sense at all. It has only 4 CU's, which is twice what a 7600 has but still not enough for anything even remotely graphically demanding. An 8600G has 8 CUs which starts to approach usable territory.
zamadatix 3y ago
The power and cost of the discrete GPU alone in that scenario will far outweigh the cost of the APU here. The nice thing about the APU line is you can throw them in cheap mini PCs and not have to worry about having PCIe slots or "real" PSUs, you get a good CPU with a better-than-basic GPU without having to shell out double for a GPU or having a big PC to do it in. They are also monolithic on top of being combined parts so not just the active but the idle power is highly optimized.

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This review seems to miss one of the most important competitors. The Ryzen 5 7600 costs only $20 more, and performs a good deal better for not a whole lot more

by NohatCoder 3y ago

babypuncher 3y ago
> I don't think there is a lot of customers to whom the iGPU difference is important, but not important enough to get a discreet graphics card. I think this is the exact segment of customers this chip is aiming for. You can throw this chip in a new build without a dedicated GPU, and get a playable (30+ fps) experience in Cyberpunk 2077. It's an option for someone wanting to spend entry-level money on a gaming PC with the option to upgrade to a real GPU further down the line. EDIT: Just realized this is the 8500g not the 8600g. The slower GPU and the fact that dedicated graphics would be limited to 4x PCI-E lanes make this a much less interesting as an entry-level gaming product.
- ColonelPhantom 3y ago
  Yeah, the 8500G is just not interesting in that sense at all. It has only 4 CU's, which is twice what a 7600 has but still not enough for anything even remotely graphically demanding. An 8600G has 8 CUs which starts to approach usable territory.
zamadatix 3y ago
The power and cost of the discrete GPU alone in that scenario will far outweigh the cost of the APU here. The nice thing about the APU line is you can throw them in cheap mini PCs and not have to worry about having PCIe slots or "real" PSUs, you get a good CPU with a better-than-basic GPU without having to shell out double for a GPU or having a big PC to do it in. They are also monolithic on top of being combined parts so not just the active but the idle power is highly optimized.