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Yeah same. Especially that those consoles were launched all the way back in 2020, nearly 4 years ago. I guess it's difficult to replicate the console performan
by FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Yeah same. Especially that those consoles were launched all the way back in 2020, nearly 4 years ago.
I guess it's difficult to replicate the console performance when those run on GDDR as system memory and PCs on DDR so the bandwidth difference is huge.
But it's not like a system integrator like Asus or Gigabyte couldn't have built a small form factor PC based on a PC variant of the consoles APU and use GDDR instead.
AMD really missed out on this, especially during the pandemic when everyone was stuck indoor trying to game and looking for inexistent GPUs.
- sliken 3y agoXbox One came out in 2013, 11 years ago, with an AMD CPU. PS4 came out in 2013, 11 years ago, with an AMD CPU.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoYes, but what's your point with those facts? Those were Bulldozer based APUs, not very good compared to what you could buy for PC back then, in an era where AMD wasn't very competitive and GPUs weren't overpriced unobtanium.
- sliken 3y agoJust pointing out that AMD has been shipping cheap APUs with nice memory systems that increase iGPU performance for over 10 years. Just mystifies me that AMD hasn't shipped similar in a laptop, SFF, or desktop yet. Especially during the GPU shortage. The AMD 780m iGPU does pretty well, clearly AMD could add more cores and ship a faster memory bus, like the ones on their Threadripper (4 channel), Siena (6 channel), threadripper pro (8 channel), or Epyc (12 channel). Apple's doing similar with M1/m2/m3 (128 bit), M1/M2/M3 Pro (256 bit), and M1/M2/M3 Max (512 bit wide) available in laptops, tiny PCs (up to 256 bit wide) with the mini, and small desktops (studio).
- Narishma 3y agoThey were not Bulldozer but Jaguar APUs.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoJaguar was the APU console name but it was based on Buldozer CPU architecture.
- wtallis 3y agoJaguar was the codename for the CPU core microarchitecture. AMD had two separate families of microarchitectures, much like Intel's Core and Atom families (since united in one chip in Alder Lake and later).
- p_l 3y agoGDDR isn't necessarily all that better on use for general purpose CPU. Most importantly, buyers didn't want machines with soldered memory, and that was main method of going with wider bus without prohibitively expensive boards etc.
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- cma 3y agoThis was a different era with southbridge and stuff, but what about the Nvidia Nforce2: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/NForce2 https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/NForce2 Based somewhat on Xbox 1 design.