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Didn't the Model Y outsell the RAV4 in 2023? I guess there are estimates that go both ways on that, but nobody really disputes that the RAV4 and Model Y are ne

Didn't the Model Y outsell the RAV4 in 2023? I guess there are estimates that go both ways on that, but nobody really disputes that the RAV4 and Model Y are neck-and-neck. Would be nice if Tesla released actual numbers.

josefresco 3y ago
Doesn't look like it. 4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold) 5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-america-in-2023/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am... This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-the-us-in-2023.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  And this source says Model Y was #2 and RAV4 #3. https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-bestseller-in-2023-through-q3-behind-perennial-1-ford-f-150-and-ahead-of-toyota-rav4/ https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-best... My point stands, Model Y sales are matching RAV4 sales, for all practical purposes. And it happened in the space of a couple years. Toyota sells a lot of cars, but they're not the undisputed king of the hill. Also, not all RAV4s are hybrids. Model Y definitely outsold RAV4 hybrids. Though hybrids aren't any kind of EV (unless they are plug-in), so that's moot.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Why are we restricting ourselves to Rav4's? Toyota sells well over 2 million EV's per year, far more than all Teslas. And yes, HEV's are EV's the same way BEV's are. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181404/alternative-sales-of-toyota-by-segment/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181404/alternative-sale...
    - coryrc 3y ago
      The vast majority of Toyota hybrids cannot be powered by electricity from the grid. I'd say that's a significant difference.
- dylan604 3y ago
  why do these have to be estimated? I get that Tesla might not be releasing the numbers, but these cars have to be registered, right? The registration numbers seems like it should more accurate as actual owners.

josefresco 3y ago

Doesn't look like it. 4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold) 5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-america-in-2023/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am... This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-the-us-in-2023.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...

rootusrootus 3y ago
And this source says Model Y was #2 and RAV4 #3. https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-bestseller-in-2023-through-q3-behind-perennial-1-ford-f-150-and-ahead-of-toyota-rav4/ https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-best... My point stands, Model Y sales are matching RAV4 sales, for all practical purposes. And it happened in the space of a couple years. Toyota sells a lot of cars, but they're not the undisputed king of the hill. Also, not all RAV4s are hybrids. Model Y definitely outsold RAV4 hybrids. Though hybrids aren't any kind of EV (unless they are plug-in), so that's moot.
- explaininjs 3y ago
  Why are we restricting ourselves to Rav4's? Toyota sells well over 2 million EV's per year, far more than all Teslas. And yes, HEV's are EV's the same way BEV's are. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181404/alternative-sales-of-toyota-by-segment/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181404/alternative-sale...
  - coryrc 3y ago
    The vast majority of Toyota hybrids cannot be powered by electricity from the grid. I'd say that's a significant difference.
dylan604 3y ago
why do these have to be estimated? I get that Tesla might not be releasing the numbers, but these cars have to be registered, right? The registration numbers seems like it should more accurate as actual owners.