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> Advertising is a blight on society I for one enjoy personalized ads

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kerkeslager 3y ago
People like tobacco, too, but we generally structure society so that people who like tobacco aren't blowing smoke in the faces of everyone else. If you want to brain damage yourself for corporations that's your prerogative, but you can do that where it isn't harming everyone else.
- jobs_throwaway 3y ago
  > If you want to brain damage yourself for corporations that's your prerogative Lol, most sane HackerNews commenter
JohnFen 3y ago
I would completely support the ability for you and others who enjoy personalized ads to opt into them and the ecosystem required to provide them. What I think is abhorrent is that the rest of us are being forced into that system as well.
- jobs_throwaway 3y ago
  What I think is abhorrent is that your preference is ruining the internet with constant GDPR banners
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Those banners exist because websites choose to have them. Blame the websites, not the people who don't want to be spied on.
  - kerkeslager 3y ago
    It's pretty arrogant of you to claim that you know what people prefer and consent to, when in fact you know neither of those things. Given the primary purpose of GDPR banners is asking permission for tracking so you can advertise to me, which I've already made abundantly clear I do not want, no, I don't prefer GDPR banners. Just don't track me, and you won't have to do this nonsense. GDPR banners are a symptom of the blight you're supporting. Don't blame it on us.
inglor_cz 3y ago
"I for one enjoy personalized ads" Same as with sex: consent matters.
- jobs_throwaway 3y ago
  Using the services that rely on ad revenue is consenting
  - chias 3y ago
    Is letting someone buy you dinner also consenting?
  - inglor_cz 3y ago
    I wouldn't be that worried about generic, nonpersonalized ads, but the idea that by clicking a link you consent to be systematically spied upon by means that an average user cannot even comprehend is repugnant to me.
  - kerkeslager 3y ago
    You do not get to say what other people consent to. People get to say what they consent to, and if they don't say they consent to something, you have not obtained their consent. Clicking a link is not consent to view ads. To be abundandtly clear: I do not consent to view ads. You cannot consent for me, and it is pretty fucked up that you think you can.
    - jobs_throwaway 3y ago
      I can
  - kerkeslager 3y ago
    Adding to my other post: Not only is this not consent, even when people explicitly tell advertisers that they do not consent, such as by sending a "do not track" header or using an adblocker, advertisers are specifically violating their explicit non-consent. You really have no moral ground to stand on here--this is literally someone saying "no" and you trying to shove your garbage in front of them anyway. Shame on you for defending this behavior. If you want me to view ads as a condition of you serving up content, don't serve up content until I view the ad. There are plenty of sites that do this and I have no problem with that.

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People like tobacco, too, but we generally structure society so that people who like tobacco aren't blowing smoke in the faces of everyone else. If you want to brain damage yourself for corporations that's your prerogative, but you can do that where it isn't harming everyone else.

jobs_throwaway 3y ago
> If you want to brain damage yourself for corporations that's your prerogative Lol, most sane HackerNews commenter

JohnFen 3y ago

I would completely support the ability for you and others who enjoy personalized ads to opt into them and the ecosystem required to provide them. What I think is abhorrent is that the rest of us are being forced into that system as well.

jobs_throwaway 3y ago
What I think is abhorrent is that your preference is ruining the internet with constant GDPR banners
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Those banners exist because websites choose to have them. Blame the websites, not the people who don't want to be spied on.
- kerkeslager 3y ago
  It's pretty arrogant of you to claim that you know what people prefer and consent to, when in fact you know neither of those things. Given the primary purpose of GDPR banners is asking permission for tracking so you can advertise to me, which I've already made abundantly clear I do not want, no, I don't prefer GDPR banners. Just don't track me, and you won't have to do this nonsense. GDPR banners are a symptom of the blight you're supporting. Don't blame it on us.

inglor_cz 3y ago

"I for one enjoy personalized ads" Same as with sex: consent matters.

jobs_throwaway 3y ago
Using the services that rely on ad revenue is consenting
- chias 3y ago
  Is letting someone buy you dinner also consenting?
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  I wouldn't be that worried about generic, nonpersonalized ads, but the idea that by clicking a link you consent to be systematically spied upon by means that an average user cannot even comprehend is repugnant to me.
- kerkeslager 3y ago
  You do not get to say what other people consent to. People get to say what they consent to, and if they don't say they consent to something, you have not obtained their consent. Clicking a link is not consent to view ads. To be abundandtly clear: I do not consent to view ads. You cannot consent for me, and it is pretty fucked up that you think you can.
  - jobs_throwaway 3y ago
    I can
- kerkeslager 3y ago
  Adding to my other post: Not only is this not consent, even when people explicitly tell advertisers that they do not consent, such as by sending a "do not track" header or using an adblocker, advertisers are specifically violating their explicit non-consent. You really have no moral ground to stand on here--this is literally someone saying "no" and you trying to shove your garbage in front of them anyway. Shame on you for defending this behavior. If you want me to view ads as a condition of you serving up content, don't serve up content until I view the ad. There are plenty of sites that do this and I have no problem with that.