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Long term I dont think they _want_ Vision to be a breakthrough device. It's only supposed to be a stepping stone towards a true AR/MR device. The ultimate and l

by esskay 3y ago

Long term I dont think they _want_ Vision to be a breakthrough device. It's only supposed to be a stepping stone towards a true AR/MR device. The ultimate and likely not possible for decades goal is a contact lense based solution. The main goal is a normal looking pair of glasses capable of true AR/MR (not Google Glass or Nreal style attempts with hardware thats not really capable of a truly usable experience). Long term wide adoption cant really happen with a VR device, the pitfalls (Weight, long term pain, hair being messed up, red marks on your face, poor battery life, etc) are too high of a barrier.

steveklabnik 3y ago
Tim Cook is famously pretty negative on VR, but positive on AR. I would agree with you.
- prawn 3y ago
  Doesn't this largely hedge his bets?
akamaka 3y ago
I agree 100%, I think the potential is in a future Vision device which is smaller, lighter, and cheaper, while having an even better display.
TillE 3y ago
That's been their plan in the past, but I wonder if they'll reconsider. You can't do stuff like virtual environments in AR glasses. Apple may never care about games, but there are other VR features which users might really love. I wouldn't be surprised if the headset continues even in the future where amazing perfect AR glasses are possible.
threeseed 3y ago
> The main goal is a normal looking pair of glasses capable of true AR/MR You can't consume media e.g watch sports, movies etc or do any real work with those glasses which is a huge part of why Apple built Vision Pro in the first place. And the battery technology doesn't exist for them to last anything longer than a few minutes in such a form factor unless you have it tethered.
- monkeynotes 3y ago
  I agree, but how will this device ever get beyond home entertainment or light office work if it's always going to be a big screen strapped to your face, not to mention the social aspect. I dread to live in a world where people are walking around self absorbed prodding and poking at things no one else can see. It just seems so selfish and antisocial.
  - danielbln 3y ago
    > I dread to live in a world where people are walking around self absorbed prodding and poking at things no one else can see. Phones?
    - kibwen 3y ago
      We dread to live in a world of phone-zombies as well, yes.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  And that's why none of this will go anywhere of consequences for a good long while. Regular people won't wear a dorkbox on their faces and the glasses form factor cannot today do what's needed.
gfodor 3y ago
You're confused. Vision Pro is a true AR/MR device. It uses AR passthrough. A lot of people for a long time have assumed there's some inherent reason people would never accept passthrough AR devices. A few people like myself have been consistent saying that's not the case, that passthrough AR is actually the right solution. Vision Pro is just the first version of what I expect to be a long line of passthrough AR devices from Apple.
paganel 3y ago
I don't think the physics will ever be there in terms of battery/energy consumption of said future devices, meaning that I don't think Apple (or any other company) will ever be able to build a processing-device that won't have to depend on a big enough battery. You could try to miniaturise it all (up to a point) and include it as part of the device itself, similar to Google Glass, but who would want such an energy "bucket" so close to one's eyes and face? That's just disaster (and a big lawsuit) waiting to happen.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  Apple Watch. iPhone.
  - paganel 3y ago
    The iPhone is quote a big (and at times quite heated) device, not sure that the philosophy behind it will help Apple in this case. Apple Watch, while physically small, it can't honestly do all that much (like displaying a movie in HD-like conditions on a reasonable big screen), so its energy requirements are not that big to begin with.
- prawn 3y ago
  I wonder if another aspect of the external battery is that it presumably heats up, and so attaching that as a counterbalance on the headstrap would get uncomfortable?

by esskay 3y ago

steveklabnik 3y ago

Tim Cook is famously pretty negative on VR, but positive on AR. I would agree with you.

prawn 3y ago
Doesn't this largely hedge his bets?

akamaka 3y ago

I agree 100%, I think the potential is in a future Vision device which is smaller, lighter, and cheaper, while having an even better display.

TillE 3y ago

That's been their plan in the past, but I wonder if they'll reconsider. You can't do stuff like virtual environments in AR glasses. Apple may never care about games, but there are other VR features which users might really love. I wouldn't be surprised if the headset continues even in the future where amazing perfect AR glasses are possible.

threeseed 3y ago

> The main goal is a normal looking pair of glasses capable of true AR/MR You can't consume media e.g watch sports, movies etc or do any real work with those glasses which is a huge part of why Apple built Vision Pro in the first place. And the battery technology doesn't exist for them to last anything longer than a few minutes in such a form factor unless you have it tethered.

monkeynotes 3y ago
I agree, but how will this device ever get beyond home entertainment or light office work if it's always going to be a big screen strapped to your face, not to mention the social aspect. I dread to live in a world where people are walking around self absorbed prodding and poking at things no one else can see. It just seems so selfish and antisocial.
- danielbln 3y ago
  > I dread to live in a world where people are walking around self absorbed prodding and poking at things no one else can see. Phones?
  - kibwen 3y ago
    We dread to live in a world of phone-zombies as well, yes.
asadotzler 3y ago
And that's why none of this will go anywhere of consequences for a good long while. Regular people won't wear a dorkbox on their faces and the glasses form factor cannot today do what's needed.

gfodor 3y ago

You're confused. Vision Pro is a true AR/MR device. It uses AR passthrough. A lot of people for a long time have assumed there's some inherent reason people would never accept passthrough AR devices. A few people like myself have been consistent saying that's not the case, that passthrough AR is actually the right solution. Vision Pro is just the first version of what I expect to be a long line of passthrough AR devices from Apple.

paganel 3y ago

I don't think the physics will ever be there in terms of battery/energy consumption of said future devices, meaning that I don't think Apple (or any other company) will ever be able to build a processing-device that won't have to depend on a big enough battery. You could try to miniaturise it all (up to a point) and include it as part of the device itself, similar to Google Glass, but who would want such an energy "bucket" so close to one's eyes and face? That's just disaster (and a big lawsuit) waiting to happen.

asadotzler 3y ago
Apple Watch. iPhone.
- paganel 3y ago
  The iPhone is quote a big (and at times quite heated) device, not sure that the philosophy behind it will help Apple in this case. Apple Watch, while physically small, it can't honestly do all that much (like displaying a movie in HD-like conditions on a reasonable big screen), so its energy requirements are not that big to begin with.
prawn 3y ago
I wonder if another aspect of the external battery is that it presumably heats up, and so attaching that as a counterbalance on the headstrap would get uncomfortable?