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Israel is a larger threat to Iran than Iran is to Israel, I think that's relatively obvious and can't really be argued.

by boringuser2 3y ago

edgyquant 3y ago
Israel is not an existential threat to the existence of Iran. What world do you live in?
- boringuser2 3y ago
  Iran has started no wars in recent memory, killed no civilians, etc. Iran has, nevertheless, been the constant target of Israel attempting to drag the USA into a cataclysmic war. What world do you live in?
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    Iran hasn’t directly started any wars, but has been fighting proxy wars across the Middle East and Africa for over a generation. You are seriously misinformed here and should not be discussing this stuff until that changes. The entire spectrum of conflicts in the Middle East right now are all coordinated by Iran and its revolutionary guard.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Iran has started no wars in recent memory, killed no civilians By that measure, America’s never done any mischief in Latin America!
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    They bombed Pakistan the other day.
Qwertious 3y ago
>and can't really be argued. Challenge accepted. Iran is pretty darn hard to actually invade - unlike Iraq, Iran has tons of mountainous terrain and a huge army, and even the US hasn't tried it. So while it would be very unfortunate for Iran if they got into that war, the regime might survive. The US could probably do a lot more, but if they did then Iran could go metaphorically-nuclear and block the strait of Hormuz, destroying global oil supply and supply of LNG to asia, causing mass blackouts there. So the US would be quite leery about doing so. Israel could nuke Iran, but then they'd be utterly fucked politically. Not just for breaking the nuclear taboo, but because Hezvollah et al would cream themselves and have basically infinite recruitment. In contrast, Israel has recently had some of its citizens killed by the Iran-backed Hamas, and are bordering both Lebanon and Syria. This didn't hurt Iran from political backlash, not at all, Iran's been pretty open in their hating Israel. If for any reason the US withdrew its military backing for Israel, Iran could and would support an extended proxy war between Israel and its neighbors. Not Gaza (Israel controls their water and fuel supply, so if they're not concerned about pissing off the US and rest of the world then they can kill them all fairly easily) but Lebanon and Syria via Hezbollah and some 'renegotiation' over Golan heights. What's more, Iran could just invade Israel outright, with Syria's support. Iran has 9x the population size and their army is reasonably modern. Without US backing, Egypt's current dictator could decide to provide military support of their own. And if they win that war then Israelis will be ethnically cleansed. Which is arguably a worse threat than what Israel could do to Iran. There you go, it can be argued! I wouldn't normally argue for it, I'd say they're about equal personally. It's kind of weird to compare them; neither is really in a good position to fight the other in the first place.
- boringuser2 3y ago
  Good post, I basically agree - hence the current policy Israel and America have cooked up of isolation and embargo. Regarding ethnic cleansing, while you speculate, the Gazans suffer under it in reality. I'd give Iran the implicit moral highground because they are pretty peaceful and haven't attempted to ethnically cleanse anyone, unlike Israel in both aspects. Just on the basis of what has actually happened, Israel is an egregiously immoral state. Rich man, eye of a needle and all that. Now, as for whether or not they would... I think they probably would. But that's speculation, not reality.

Israel is a larger threat to Iran than Iran is to Israel, I think that's relatively obvious and can't really be argued.

edgyquant 3y ago

Israel is not an existential threat to the existence of Iran. What world do you live in?

boringuser2 3y ago
Iran has started no wars in recent memory, killed no civilians, etc. Iran has, nevertheless, been the constant target of Israel attempting to drag the USA into a cataclysmic war. What world do you live in?
- edgyquant 3y ago
  Iran hasn’t directly started any wars, but has been fighting proxy wars across the Middle East and Africa for over a generation. You are seriously misinformed here and should not be discussing this stuff until that changes. The entire spectrum of conflicts in the Middle East right now are all coordinated by Iran and its revolutionary guard.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Iran has started no wars in recent memory, killed no civilians By that measure, America’s never done any mischief in Latin America!
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  They bombed Pakistan the other day.

Qwertious 3y ago

>and can't really be argued. Challenge accepted. Iran is pretty darn hard to actually invade - unlike Iraq, Iran has tons of mountainous terrain and a huge army, and even the US hasn't tried it. So while it would be very unfortunate for Iran if they got into that war, the regime might survive. The US could probably do a lot more, but if they did then Iran could go metaphorically-nuclear and block the strait of Hormuz, destroying global oil supply and supply of LNG to asia, causing mass blackouts there. So the US would be quite leery about doing so. Israel could nuke Iran, but then they'd be utterly fucked politically. Not just for breaking the nuclear taboo, but because Hezvollah et al would cream themselves and have basically infinite recruitment. In contrast, Israel has recently had some of its citizens killed by the Iran-backed Hamas, and are bordering both Lebanon and Syria. This didn't hurt Iran from political backlash, not at all, Iran's been pretty open in their hating Israel. If for any reason the US withdrew its military backing for Israel, Iran could and would support an extended proxy war between Israel and its neighbors. Not Gaza (Israel controls their water and fuel supply, so if they're not concerned about pissing off the US and rest of the world then they can kill them all fairly easily) but Lebanon and Syria via Hezbollah and some 'renegotiation' over Golan heights. What's more, Iran could just invade Israel outright, with Syria's support. Iran has 9x the population size and their army is reasonably modern. Without US backing, Egypt's current dictator could decide to provide military support of their own. And if they win that war then Israelis will be ethnically cleansed. Which is arguably a worse threat than what Israel could do to Iran. There you go, it can be argued! I wouldn't normally argue for it, I'd say they're about equal personally. It's kind of weird to compare them; neither is really in a good position to fight the other in the first place.

boringuser2 3y ago
Good post, I basically agree - hence the current policy Israel and America have cooked up of isolation and embargo. Regarding ethnic cleansing, while you speculate, the Gazans suffer under it in reality. I'd give Iran the implicit moral highground because they are pretty peaceful and haven't attempted to ethnically cleanse anyone, unlike Israel in both aspects. Just on the basis of what has actually happened, Israel is an egregiously immoral state. Rich man, eye of a needle and all that. Now, as for whether or not they would... I think they probably would. But that's speculation, not reality.