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"Found" and "Updating" are verbs, you just changed the tense.

by tanjtanjtanj 3y ago

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
It's kinda foggy, "Found" can be an adjective, like "Found art".
- tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
  That's technically true. The typical interpretation would be "[The] site [was] not found" as a verb. If you squint hard enough you can interpret is as "[The] site [is] not [in the state of being] found".
mzs 3y ago
I guess, they are all missing 'to be' so incorrect - I don't know what to call that precisely - correct versions I avoid: "site cannot be found" "software is updating"/"updating is in progress"
- tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
  They're just casual or conversational forms of the verbs. Dropping "is" from "is updating" for example.
- LesZedCB 3y ago
  > gerund: a form that is derived from a verb but that functions as a noun, in English ending in -ing, e.g., asking in do you mind my asking you?.
  - tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
    "Updating" in the phrase "Software updating" as a status message isn't a gerund though. It looks a lot like a gerund but it's really a casual form that drops the rest of the verb "[is] updating".
    - schoen 3y ago
      It's a participle rather than a gerund. Present participles and gerunds have the same form in English, but not in all languages that have these.
      - mzs 3y ago
        Thanks everyone, I just don't know enough grammar to explain.
      - seabass-labrax 3y ago
        Indeed - in German, verbs have: - a gerund form which is always the same as the infinitive, - a different gerund form (verb-'ung', kind of cognate to verb-'ing', both derived from a Latin construct I believe), and - a present participle ...in addition to the other declensions. It's fascinating to me how Dutch and English can be seen as two parallel derivatives of the old High German language, where as what we now call German has developed along a largely different path!
        schoen 3y ago
        I don't know enough German to be sure of a rule about when the -ung form does and doesn't occur, but I can think of verbs that don't have it (confirmed with grep!), so it's not completely productive. (First examples offhand: essen, haben, denken, gehen, although the latter does seem to do -ung with some prefixes.) It's also interesting to think of how to describe the semantic difference between the -en and -ung nouns when both do exist. I think one case is that the -ung can often describe the result of completing the action of the verb or in some sense refer to a "complete instance" or "complete occasion" of the verb's action, but this is generalizing from just a few examples...
        schoen 3y ago
        Wiktionary seems to agree with my guess about the meaning of -ung: > forms nouns from verbs, usually describing either an event in which an action is carried out, or the result of that action. > Note that the -ung suffixed form is different from the gerund which is formed by simply capitalizing the first letter of the verb. The gerund usually refers to the activity in general rather than a specific instance or result.

"Found" and "Updating" are verbs, you just changed the tense.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago

It's kinda foggy, "Found" can be an adjective, like "Found art".

tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
That's technically true. The typical interpretation would be "[The] site [was] not found" as a verb. If you squint hard enough you can interpret is as "[The] site [is] not [in the state of being] found".

mzs 3y ago

I guess, they are all missing 'to be' so incorrect - I don't know what to call that precisely - correct versions I avoid: "site cannot be found" "software is updating"/"updating is in progress"

tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
They're just casual or conversational forms of the verbs. Dropping "is" from "is updating" for example.
LesZedCB 3y ago
> gerund: a form that is derived from a verb but that functions as a noun, in English ending in -ing, e.g., asking in do you mind my asking you?.
- tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
  "Updating" in the phrase "Software updating" as a status message isn't a gerund though. It looks a lot like a gerund but it's really a casual form that drops the rest of the verb "[is] updating".
  - schoen 3y ago
    It's a participle rather than a gerund. Present participles and gerunds have the same form in English, but not in all languages that have these.
    - mzs 3y ago
      Thanks everyone, I just don't know enough grammar to explain.
    - seabass-labrax 3y ago
      Indeed - in German, verbs have: - a gerund form which is always the same as the infinitive, - a different gerund form (verb-'ung', kind of cognate to verb-'ing', both derived from a Latin construct I believe), and - a present participle ...in addition to the other declensions. It's fascinating to me how Dutch and English can be seen as two parallel derivatives of the old High German language, where as what we now call German has developed along a largely different path!
      - schoen 3y ago
        I don't know enough German to be sure of a rule about when the -ung form does and doesn't occur, but I can think of verbs that don't have it (confirmed with grep!), so it's not completely productive. (First examples offhand: essen, haben, denken, gehen, although the latter does seem to do -ung with some prefixes.) It's also interesting to think of how to describe the semantic difference between the -en and -ung nouns when both do exist. I think one case is that the -ung can often describe the result of completing the action of the verb or in some sense refer to a "complete instance" or "complete occasion" of the verb's action, but this is generalizing from just a few examples...
        schoen 3y ago
        Wiktionary seems to agree with my guess about the meaning of -ung: > forms nouns from verbs, usually describing either an event in which an action is carried out, or the result of that action. > Note that the -ung suffixed form is different from the gerund which is formed by simply capitalizing the first letter of the verb. The gerund usually refers to the activity in general rather than a specific instance or result.