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5 million prius * 14 kWhr 5 million tesla * 50 kWhr This is probably true, hybrids may win in the US market in the short term until they are outlawed?

kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
They'll never be outlawed. There are too many use cases for 300+ mile trips in remote areas where recharging isn't possible or less remote areas where it isn't practical.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  There are laws in effect already: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-california-will-phase-out-gasoline-powered-cars-drastically-reduce-demand-for-fossil-fuel-in-californias-fight-against-climate-change/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-...
  - katbyte 3y ago
    If it’s anything like Canada it still allows for hybrid. Banning everything but BEV will never happen because Bev will never work for a small subset of users
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      they have similar law in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-vehicles-2035-1.7063993#:~:text=The%20federal%20government%20is%20laying,targets%20for%20manufacturers%20to%20meet https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-vehicles-20....
      - katbyte 3y ago
        That’s literally the one I was talking about, it will still permit hybrid and there is no requirement for everything to be a BEV
        riku_iki 3y ago
        > it will still permit hybrid article says plugin hybrid, not just hybrid, which is kinda loophole.
        katbyte 3y ago
        a hybrid is still a hybrid that you can just keep filling up with gas and never plug-in.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        yes, though in California cars required to be 0 emission by 2035
        katbyte 3y ago
        no? it seems to be the exact same rules as canada? > new cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        I can't find any mentions of hybrids nor plugins in actual executive order: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO-N-79-20-Climate.pdf https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO... it just says: zero emission, and hybrids are obviously not
        katbyte 3y ago
        that is the exact same language used for the canadian law. "zero emission" includes hybrid https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/cars-and-light-trucks-are-going-zero-frequently-asked-questions https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/cars-and-light-tr...
petre 3y ago
> until they are outlawed? In the US? When hell freezes over. In the Nederlands? Probably in 5-6 years.

kevin_thibedeau 3y ago

They'll never be outlawed. There are too many use cases for 300+ mile trips in remote areas where recharging isn't possible or less remote areas where it isn't practical.

riku_iki 3y ago
There are laws in effect already: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-california-will-phase-out-gasoline-powered-cars-drastically-reduce-demand-for-fossil-fuel-in-californias-fight-against-climate-change/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-...
- katbyte 3y ago
  If it’s anything like Canada it still allows for hybrid. Banning everything but BEV will never happen because Bev will never work for a small subset of users
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    they have similar law in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-vehicles-2035-1.7063993#:~:text=The%20federal%20government%20is%20laying,targets%20for%20manufacturers%20to%20meet https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-vehicles-20....
    - katbyte 3y ago
      That’s literally the one I was talking about, it will still permit hybrid and there is no requirement for everything to be a BEV
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        > it will still permit hybrid article says plugin hybrid, not just hybrid, which is kinda loophole.
        katbyte 3y ago
        a hybrid is still a hybrid that you can just keep filling up with gas and never plug-in.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        yes, though in California cars required to be 0 emission by 2035
        katbyte 3y ago
        no? it seems to be the exact same rules as canada? > new cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        I can't find any mentions of hybrids nor plugins in actual executive order: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO-N-79-20-Climate.pdf https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO... it just says: zero emission, and hybrids are obviously not
        katbyte 3y ago
        that is the exact same language used for the canadian law. "zero emission" includes hybrid https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/cars-and-light-trucks-are-going-zero-frequently-asked-questions https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/cars-and-light-tr...

petre 3y ago

> until they are outlawed? In the US? When hell freezes over. In the Nederlands? Probably in 5-6 years.