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> Use all possible different descents with equal probability Images I make with ChatGPT will sporadically feature a diverse group of people, looking like a col

> Use all possible different descents with equal probability Images I make with ChatGPT will sporadically feature a diverse group of people, looking like a college application press shot. I think this is OpenAI trying to combat the training data of DALL-E. I don’t think Stable Diffusion has ever generated a person of color for me unless I specifically included it in the prompt, for instance.

whywhywhywhy 3y ago
>I don’t think Stable Diffusion has ever generated a person of color for me It does it's just extremely stereotypical, you'll encounter them in parts of the datasets that will have them better represented in the source data like if you ask for fashion photography you'll get more black and east asian people, less south asians. Raw Dall-E probably does this too and OpenAI is embarrassed by it which explains why they waste tokens every request trying to hide that their data set has what they consider bad representation.
jsheard 3y ago
DALL-E/Bings silent injection of keywords to try to de-bias the model produces funny results since the model got better at producing text, because the injected keywords tend to appear as text in the generated image, so you may end up with a character randomly saying "ethnically ambiguous" in a speech bubble or something else along those lines. e.g. https://twitter.com/StyledApe/status/1709728954993557932 https://twitter.com/StyledApe/status/1709728954993557932 https://twitter.com/DerekPutin/status/1728928441507189069 https://twitter.com/DerekPutin/status/1728928441507189069
- lelandfe 3y ago
  I am cackling at these, thanks
HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
Can confirm. SD is very white-biased on the vast majority of prompts, including some you wouldn't expect it to be. It's turned off more than one friend and we prefer using DALLE for this reason.
gettodachoppa 3y ago
>I don’t think Stable Diffusion has ever generated a person of color for me unless I specifically included it in the prompt, for instance. By person of color do you just mean black people? Because the top SD models (and I don't mean the anime ones) are notorious for generating asian people by default, to the point that people often put 'asian' in the negative prompt when they want to generate generate non-asians.
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- lelandfe 3y ago
  I mostly mean non-white, I can’t say I share that experience regarding asians being generated.
- _lvbh 3y ago
  The way we classify race by color is so confusing. I’ve seen ‘white’ Asians with skin so milky white that the hex value is greater than most “whites” from the UK. Meanwhile, to a “brown” person, I’m considered white when other southeast Asians and “whites” consider me brown. Can we stop with the color thing and just go by nationality or region? The fact that American universities ask for my race really threw me off, especially considering some don’t even have a “prefer not to say” option.
  - brokensegue 3y ago
    Race isn't defined just by color (in the US). As you note many Asian people are fair skinned. Dyeing your skin has no impact on race in most people's eyes
    - _lvbh 3y ago
      Yet people still use terms like “white” “colored” and “brown”.
      - brokensegue 3y ago

whywhywhywhy 3y ago

>I don’t think Stable Diffusion has ever generated a person of color for me It does it's just extremely stereotypical, you'll encounter them in parts of the datasets that will have them better represented in the source data like if you ask for fashion photography you'll get more black and east asian people, less south asians. Raw Dall-E probably does this too and OpenAI is embarrassed by it which explains why they waste tokens every request trying to hide that their data set has what they consider bad representation.

jsheard 3y ago

DALL-E/Bings silent injection of keywords to try to de-bias the model produces funny results since the model got better at producing text, because the injected keywords tend to appear as text in the generated image, so you may end up with a character randomly saying "ethnically ambiguous" in a speech bubble or something else along those lines. e.g. https://twitter.com/StyledApe/status/1709728954993557932 https://twitter.com/StyledApe/status/1709728954993557932 https://twitter.com/DerekPutin/status/1728928441507189069 https://twitter.com/DerekPutin/status/1728928441507189069

lelandfe 3y ago
I am cackling at these, thanks

HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago

Can confirm. SD is very white-biased on the vast majority of prompts, including some you wouldn't expect it to be. It's turned off more than one friend and we prefer using DALLE for this reason.

gettodachoppa 3y ago

>I don’t think Stable Diffusion has ever generated a person of color for me unless I specifically included it in the prompt, for instance. By person of color do you just mean black people? Because the top SD models (and I don't mean the anime ones) are notorious for generating asian people by default, to the point that people often put 'asian' in the negative prompt when they want to generate generate non-asians.

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lelandfe 3y ago
I mostly mean non-white, I can’t say I share that experience regarding asians being generated.
_lvbh 3y ago
The way we classify race by color is so confusing. I’ve seen ‘white’ Asians with skin so milky white that the hex value is greater than most “whites” from the UK. Meanwhile, to a “brown” person, I’m considered white when other southeast Asians and “whites” consider me brown. Can we stop with the color thing and just go by nationality or region? The fact that American universities ask for my race really threw me off, especially considering some don’t even have a “prefer not to say” option.
- brokensegue 3y ago
  Race isn't defined just by color (in the US). As you note many Asian people are fair skinned. Dyeing your skin has no impact on race in most people's eyes
  - _lvbh 3y ago
    Yet people still use terms like “white” “colored” and “brown”.
    - brokensegue 3y ago