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Ignoring that Prius is a hybrid and not an EV: Toyota sold 30k in 2023, the lowest number ever. Tesla sold 400k of Model Y and 210k of Model 3 and 31k of Mode

• josefresco 3y ago
  Look at the insanely huge sales of the RAV4 hybrid. Americans don't buy small cars, we buy SUV/CUVs and Toyota is the king.
  • rootusrootus 3y ago
    Didn't the Model Y outsell the RAV4 in 2023? I guess there are estimates that go both ways on that, but nobody really disputes that the RAV4 and Model Y are neck-and-neck. Would be nice if Tesla released actual numbers.
    • josefresco 3y ago
      Doesn't look like it. 4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold) 5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-america-in-2023/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am... This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-the-us-in-2023.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...
      • rootusrootus 3y ago
        And this source says Model Y was #2 and RAV4 #3. https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-bestseller-in-2023-through-q3-behind-perennial-1-ford-f-150-and-ahead-of-toyota-rav4/ https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-best... My point stands, Model Y sales are matching RAV4 sales, for all practical purposes. And it happened in the space of a couple years. Toyota sells a lot of cars, but they're not the undisputed king of the hill. Also, not all RAV4s are hybrids. Model Y definitely outsold RAV4 hybrids. Though hybrids aren't any kind of EV (unless they are plug-in), so that's moot.
        • explaininjs 3y ago
          Why are we restricting ourselves to Rav4's? Toyota sells well over 2 million EV's per year, far more than all Teslas. And yes, HEV's are EV's the same way BEV's are. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181404/alternative-sales-of-toyota-by-segment/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181404/alternative-sale...
          • coryrc 3y ago
            The vast majority of Toyota hybrids cannot be powered by electricity from the grid. I'd say that's a significant difference.
      • dylan604 3y ago
        why do these have to be estimated? I get that Tesla might not be releasing the numbers, but these cars have to be registered, right? The registration numbers seems like it should more accurate as actual owners.