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We don't need more people in the world, there's enough. People like Elon that are raising some fake concerns about fertility always have something in common: a

We don't need more people in the world, there's enough. People like Elon that are raising some fake concerns about fertility always have something in common: are hysterical. We need to bring rationality in this debate. Why the hell do we need humans in every corner in the earth, and possibly universe? Procreation isn't a real need like food and water, nobody dies if they don't fuck. Humans need to stop this need of controlling the fate of the universe, it's really sickening. Mind your life and your own business, stop thinking that you need to save humanity. I bet this "heroism" behaviour will be diagnosed as a disease in a few decades and are deeply rooted in child development issues or just genetics.

nathanaldensr 3y ago
If you think falling birthrates are "fake issues" then you have no idea what you're talking about and haven't done a smidgen of research on the topic. The West relies on debt-fueled economies that require ever-increasing GDP. This is in direct opposition to shrinking prime-age workforces. I'm not going to go much more into this here as the information is trivially available to anyone online.
- fuzzfactor 3y ago
  >We don't need more people in the world, there's enough. True. But beyond that, this has always been true at any point in the history and prehistory of mankind. >The West relies on debt-fueled economies that require ever-increasing GDP. Also equally true, but that only goes back as far as the history of the "West" alone. Unless you also want to include all the other intervals and regions where debt-fueled economies have come & gone since before prehistory, but that still doesn't quite make it true at any point in history. No big deal. Equally true. But two true things do not have to make equal sense, or even make sense at all sometimes.
- theironhammer 3y ago
  What about Japan? Aren't they doing ok? Sure there's issues with not enough people to look after the old folks but I haven't heard any rhetoric like we do in the Anglosphere. Demographic Apocalypse seems largely a scare tactic by neoliberal/neocons to distract from the real reason: Immigration is to suppress wage demands.

nathanaldensr 3y ago

If you think falling birthrates are "fake issues" then you have no idea what you're talking about and haven't done a smidgen of research on the topic. The West relies on debt-fueled economies that require ever-increasing GDP. This is in direct opposition to shrinking prime-age workforces. I'm not going to go much more into this here as the information is trivially available to anyone online.

fuzzfactor 3y ago
>We don't need more people in the world, there's enough. True. But beyond that, this has always been true at any point in the history and prehistory of mankind. >The West relies on debt-fueled economies that require ever-increasing GDP. Also equally true, but that only goes back as far as the history of the "West" alone. Unless you also want to include all the other intervals and regions where debt-fueled economies have come & gone since before prehistory, but that still doesn't quite make it true at any point in history. No big deal. Equally true. But two true things do not have to make equal sense, or even make sense at all sometimes.
theironhammer 3y ago
What about Japan? Aren't they doing ok? Sure there's issues with not enough people to look after the old folks but I haven't heard any rhetoric like we do in the Anglosphere. Demographic Apocalypse seems largely a scare tactic by neoliberal/neocons to distract from the real reason: Immigration is to suppress wage demands.