Agreed. I'm sure obj-c is horrible if you keep expecting it to be like Ruby... people need to embrace the idioms and syntax of the language they're actually usi

Agreed. I'm sure obj-c is horrible if you keep expecting it to be like Ruby... people need to embrace the idioms and syntax of the language they're actually using. After using it for almost a year, I find obj-c really nice now. But that was only after I got out of the C/C++ mindset and more into obj-c mindset.