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The fact that they already sell the most popular electric vehicle in the US and Japan, and have done so since they launched the very beginning of electric vehic

The fact that they already sell the most popular electric vehicle in the US and Japan, and have done so since they launched the very beginning of electric vehicles, over 25 years ago? (Pruis)

luuurker 3y ago
Hybrid. I'm nitpicking, but current full electric Toyota cars are not that good or popular.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  Electric cars are not that popular, period. Hybrids may turn out to be a more popular option.
  - quonn 3y ago
    Hybrids have basically all the possible parts that can break.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      But Toyota’s hybrids have a very good reputation regarding longevity and low cost of ownership.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      Not really, the transmission can be made much simpler and more robust.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      But the entire selling point of Toyota to most people is that it WONT break, at least for 150k miles.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    > Electric cars are not that popular, period. That is a matter of opinion. As a brand new technology, I think a market share approaching 10% is incredible. Only fans thought this was possible even 5 years ago.
  - luuurker 3y ago
    What I meant is that Toyota electric cars are not popular inside the electric category. From range to charging speeds, they're behind other brands.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      Ha, I read that as Tesla and it's still true. Almost like there's more to a car than range and charing speed.
      - luuurker 3y ago
        Yes, there's more to a car than range and charging speeds, but that doesn't change the fact that Tesla makes some of the best selling EVs and that Toyota doesn't. Even if you care more about build quality and comfort, there are cars from VW, Audi, Hyundai, Mercedes, etc, that are better than, say, the Toyota bZ4X while having better range and charging. Toyota simply doesn't make the best pure electric cars.
kjksf 3y ago
Ignoring that Prius is a hybrid and not an EV: Toyota sold 30k in 2023, the lowest number ever. Tesla sold 400k of Model Y and 210k of Model 3 and 31k of Model X in 2024. So Model Y outsold Prius by 13x in US in 2023. --- https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/toyota/prius-family https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/toyota/prius-family https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/29/tesla-model-ys-huge-growth-in-us-sales-visualized-charts/ https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/29/tesla-model-ys-huge-gro...
- josefresco 3y ago
  Look at the insanely huge sales of the RAV4 hybrid. Americans don't buy small cars, we buy SUV/CUVs and Toyota is the king.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    Didn't the Model Y outsell the RAV4 in 2023? I guess there are estimates that go both ways on that, but nobody really disputes that the RAV4 and Model Y are neck-and-neck. Would be nice if Tesla released actual numbers.
    - josefresco 3y ago
      Doesn't look like it. 4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold) 5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-america-in-2023/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am... This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-the-us-in-2023.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...
      - rootusrootus 3y ago
        And this source says Model Y was #2 and RAV4 #3. https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-bestseller-in-2023-through-q3-behind-perennial-1-ford-f-150-and-ahead-of-toyota-rav4/ https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-best... My point stands, Model Y sales are matching RAV4 sales, for all practical purposes. And it happened in the space of a couple years. Toyota sells a lot of cars, but they're not the undisputed king of the hill. Also, not all RAV4s are hybrids. Model Y definitely outsold RAV4 hybrids. Though hybrids aren't any kind of EV (unless they are plug-in), so that's moot.

The fact that they already sell the most popular electric vehicle in the US and Japan, and have done so since they launched the very beginning of electric vehicles, over 25 years ago? (Pruis)

luuurker 3y ago

Hybrid. I'm nitpicking, but current full electric Toyota cars are not that good or popular.

itsoktocry 3y ago
Electric cars are not that popular, period. Hybrids may turn out to be a more popular option.
- quonn 3y ago
  Hybrids have basically all the possible parts that can break.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    But Toyota’s hybrids have a very good reputation regarding longevity and low cost of ownership.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Not really, the transmission can be made much simpler and more robust.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    But the entire selling point of Toyota to most people is that it WONT break, at least for 150k miles.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  > Electric cars are not that popular, period. That is a matter of opinion. As a brand new technology, I think a market share approaching 10% is incredible. Only fans thought this was possible even 5 years ago.
- luuurker 3y ago
  What I meant is that Toyota electric cars are not popular inside the electric category. From range to charging speeds, they're behind other brands.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Ha, I read that as Tesla and it's still true. Almost like there's more to a car than range and charing speed.
    - luuurker 3y ago
      Yes, there's more to a car than range and charging speeds, but that doesn't change the fact that Tesla makes some of the best selling EVs and that Toyota doesn't. Even if you care more about build quality and comfort, there are cars from VW, Audi, Hyundai, Mercedes, etc, that are better than, say, the Toyota bZ4X while having better range and charging. Toyota simply doesn't make the best pure electric cars.

kjksf 3y ago

Ignoring that Prius is a hybrid and not an EV: Toyota sold 30k in 2023, the lowest number ever. Tesla sold 400k of Model Y and 210k of Model 3 and 31k of Model X in 2024. So Model Y outsold Prius by 13x in US in 2023. --- https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/toyota/prius-family https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/toyota/prius-family https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/29/tesla-model-ys-huge-growth-in-us-sales-visualized-charts/ https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/29/tesla-model-ys-huge-gro...

josefresco 3y ago
Look at the insanely huge sales of the RAV4 hybrid. Americans don't buy small cars, we buy SUV/CUVs and Toyota is the king.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Didn't the Model Y outsell the RAV4 in 2023? I guess there are estimates that go both ways on that, but nobody really disputes that the RAV4 and Model Y are neck-and-neck. Would be nice if Tesla released actual numbers.
  - josefresco 3y ago
    Doesn't look like it. 4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold) 5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-america-in-2023/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am... This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-the-us-in-2023.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      And this source says Model Y was #2 and RAV4 #3. https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-bestseller-in-2023-through-q3-behind-perennial-1-ford-f-150-and-ahead-of-toyota-rav4/ https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-best... My point stands, Model Y sales are matching RAV4 sales, for all practical purposes. And it happened in the space of a couple years. Toyota sells a lot of cars, but they're not the undisputed king of the hill. Also, not all RAV4s are hybrids. Model Y definitely outsold RAV4 hybrids. Though hybrids aren't any kind of EV (unless they are plug-in), so that's moot.