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Orange Pi Neo Coming as a Ryzen 7 and Linux Powered Handheld Device
- mkl 3y agoProbably a better link, with a lot of specs: https://neo.manjaro.org/ https://neo.manjaro.org/ Another article: https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/handheld-gaming/orange-pi-enters-handheld-pc-space-with-orange-pi-neo-a-ryzen-7840u-powered-manjaro-os-handheld https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/handheld-gaming/ora...
- gbil 3y agoNo mention on repairability and that resolution is too high for the screen size and processing power I'm afraid. I wonder what the price will be therefore
- poglet 3y agoIn case, someone didn’t see: 7-inch FHD+ (1920 x 1200, WUXGA) 16:10, 500nits Brightness, 120Hz Refresh Rate
- bryanlarsen 3y agoModern GPUs are fabulous at upscaling. A too-high res screen is not the same bottleneck it used to be.
- out_of_protocol 3y agofabulous - only DLSS, Nvidia only. And at a cost - it requires a lot of transistors and some energy to power it
- bryanlarsen 3y agoFSR is also fabulous.
- out_of_protocol 3y agoNot really, from my experience visual quality degradation is quote noticable, too much to compensate for more fps
- pquki4 3y ago7840U, 1920x1200 on 50Wh battery, guess what, that's almost exactly the same as a ThinkPad T14 gen 4 (and many other devices) The screen resolution is high compared to steam deck for sure, but about the same as 7" ROG Ally (1200p vs 1080p), and dpi is slightly lower than Legion Go. Remember that your 6.3 inch phone, also a handheld device, probably has a higher DPI than this.
- gbil 3y agowe've seen already how the rog ally with a similar (very similar) chip performs and here they bundle it with a higher resolution display @120Hz. What is the point of it if you can't drive this ? Just for winning on the specs ? maybe but then is nothing more than marketing and we don't even have the price yet I also don't understand the phone comparison, this is a gaming handheld, very specific purpose compared to an all-rounder device. Please elaborate
- Pyramus 3y agoI don't get the 'too high resolution' argument in 2024. The additional power consumption is negligible as has been pointed out by others. My 2013 Nexus 5 had a 1080p display. > if you can't drive this I assume your use case is playing Triple AAA games. But there are others such as Indie games and emulation which both benefit from higher resolutions. Especially in emulation a higher resolution will allow you to do integer scaling for a greater number of systems etc.
- dotnet00 3y agoThe "too high resolution" point is in terms of gaming performance. A phone has a much higher DPI screen, but it also isn't expected to run PC games which haven't been optimized for the limitations of handheld devices.
- zamadatix 3y agoYou're not normally expected to run low powered gaming devices at native 3D resolution these days. Be it via some fancier form of upscaling (e.g. FSR) or just a plain lower rendering resolution. Many big games even separate their UI resolution from the rendered resolution these days. The screen resolution is usually there for clarity when not in a demanding game (desktop or 2d/light game).
- nisegami 3y agoJust some thoughts: - no word on pricing or availability, which are the most important pieces of information - resolution is in a weird spot where it's too high to drive most games at native res and potentially too low to look good at 2x integer scaling - screen is 120Hz and has "500nits Brightness", but is not OLED - having trackpads make this usable in more contexts than gaming (from my experience with the deck), but they could end up being trash - I haven't had the chance to use either hall effect triggers or sticks, but I am curious on how they pan out - advertising "no exposed screws" is mad suspicious to me, and casts doubt on reparability - dual usc-b ports (top and bottom) is always great to see
- xinayder 3y agoBiggest red flag is Manjaro rather than any other distro. But it remains to be seen whether it will be a Steam Deck killer or not.
- Schinken_ 3y agoI feel like Manjaro is approaching some hardware companies and offering some sort of patnership. Minisforum is also exclusively(?) marketing Manjaro for their MiniPCs (besides Windows of course).
- exceptione 3y agoI think they have build up a large userbase over the years. It is pretty beginner friendly imho. The upside of it being arch based is that your favourite package is not years old. For a desktop os a rolling release where every imaginable package can be found in either the official repo or in aur is a huge plus. Endeavouros came later, when Manjaro was already large and established. It has a more sane approach than Manjaro wrt package mgmt. But by not including a *graphical* package manager they are not an option for beginners. This is possibly meant to prevent success at any cost, I dunno.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y agoGlad to see Linux as THE platform for handheld PC gaming and emulation
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- mkl 3y agoA platform. Asus ROG Ally runs Windows, as do a few others.
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- Narishma 3y agoAs far as I know, only this and the Steam Deck use Linux. Every other handheld gaming PC uses Windows.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y agoA PC is not bound to an OS When i say "the platform", i meant it offer the optimal setup for the use-case - better UX - better performance - better battery life Besides, the one that sells the most is the Steam Deck, wich run a Linux OS A Handheld gaming device is not a novel concept, countless of devices running both android / linux in the market Example: - https://anbernic.com/collections/linux https://anbernic.com/collections/linux - https://www.goretroid.com/ https://www.goretroid.com/
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- Etheryte 3y ago> No exposed screws on the body This is phrased like a feature, but it's absolutely not. Why would anyone want this when the Steam Deck is super easy to repair and has a lot of spare part options?
- squarefoot 3y agoGamers. But having now two major Linux gaming devices means competition which is always good from the consumer side.
- bjord 3y agoyou'd actually be surprised how much competition there seems to be in the chinese SBC gaming space it's mostly emulation, though (see https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/)
- jhot 3y agoI recently went down this rabbit hole. I bought a controller and mount for playing emulated games on my phone and then started seeing references to various handheld emulation devices. The amount of options from $50-200 is insane and I think my kids will love one of the switch-like devices that can play a ton of retro games.
- bjord 3y agoI've also recently fallen into (reading/watching about) it, and from what I've seen, some of them have really impressive levels of community software support e.g. https://onionui.github.io https://onionui.github.io
- ensignavenger 3y agoAsus and Lenovo both make a handheld gaming device that competes with the Steamdeck now. Though the Orange Pi Neo looks like an interesting entrant. Manjaro is pretty similar to the Steamdeck OS, which Valve has failed to release for other hardware (they said they were going to). In fact, Manjaro is what Valve recommends to developers looking to test their games ona "steamdeck like" OS if they don't have a Steamdeck.
- newsclues 3y agoI don’t want a handheld I want an open console with replaceable sbcs.
- prmoustache 3y agoThat is called a computer.
- _0ffh 3y agoRight, the principal advantage and differentiator of a console is the practically immutable hardware configuration. If you take that away, what defines it then?
- ensignavenger 3y agoThe software. The only reason I own a Nintendo Switch is because Nintendo doesn't release their games for the Steamdeck...
- a_vanderbilt 3y agoAt this point they don't even have to. Yuzu runs most games pretty well on my Steam Deck.
- ensignavenger 3y agoI'll have to give it a try... I imagine Nintendo will be releaseing a new console soon for their new games... I may opt out of it. I have over 1000 games for my steamdeck and growing now.
- _0ffh 3y agoA Windows exclusive game wouldn't make a Windows PC a console.
- newsclues 3y agoEverything can be called a computer, I want a specific type of computer. Open, commodity, appliances. It’s hard to get all three!
- feverzsj 3y ago> Dimensions 259mm107mm19.9mm Anything larger than Switch Lite shouldn't call themselves "handled".
- IsTom 3y agoI suppose OLED switch is not a handheld then.
- feverzsj 3y agoThey never call it handled. It's a portable console.
- IsTom 3y agoExcept for having "handheld mode" https://www.nintendo.com/us/switch/compare/ https://www.nintendo.com/us/switch/compare/
- feverzsj 3y agoYeah, WiiU also has handled mode. If it can't fit in a normal pocket, it's not so "handled".
- prmoustache 3y agoIf it is handled, it is in your hands, not your pocket. I guess everyone has its own definition. Mine is it is a handled console if you can comfortably play with it in your hands during 1h without arm/hand/joints fatigue.
- neoberg 3y agoIt can be held in hands and used. So handheld. Fitting in a pocket doesn't have anything to do with being handheld. It would be called "pocketable" or something like that otherwise. I use my Steam Deck and Switch exclusively by holding them in my hands and never dock.
- DrNosferatu 3y agoPrice?
- pjmlp 3y agoThis would be great if native GNU/Linux games would be promoted, instead I suspect it will be used for emulators (consoles, retrogaming, and Windows) instead, like every Linux based handheld since Pandora.
- gamjQZnHT53AMa 3y agoEh, in my opinion we are in a time where Proton is allowing people use linux as a full time gaming platform, and if linux adoption around gaming grows because of this, eventually native linux games will follow become emphasized.
- happymellon 3y agoHow did that work out for OS/2? I understand his is completely different. For starters the interface being able to completely avoid the standard desktop is awesome, which Windows doesn't seem to be able to. Secondly I get better performance with Linux and Proton on the same hardware.
- packetlost 3y ago> native GNU/Linux games all 12 of them? I would give up on hopes of there being any serious market interest for Linux native games any time soon, if ever. Proton/WINE is good enough and the industry does. not. care. about targeting a platform with a rounding error number of users. The best thing to happen to Linux gaming in the last 10 years was the Steam Deck, and that alone is more or less driving adoption. There are several orders of magnitude more people playing on Unix/BSD derivatives than there are playing on Linux unless you count Android.
- pjmlp 3y agoIt did wonders for OS/2.
- throwup238 3y agoWine Is Not an Emulator. It’s in the name!
- k8svet 3y agoNothing kills my interest faster than seeing Manjaro. What a bad choice of distro, for users, and/or as a partner. To me, it shows they don't get it. SBCs can be such a nightmare.
- pas 3y agowhat's wrong with Manjaro?
- arcanemachiner 3y agohttps://github.com/arindas/manjarno https://github.com/arindas/manjarno
- Levitating 3y agoThe developers are incompetent. In general it's better to just stick with a distribution with a large userbase and developer community. Something stable that has proven itself over the years. With Manjaro you are basically using ArchLinux with its many developers and contributors, except that a few extra developers are messing with the packages and delay the updates. Whenever you encounter a bug in Manjaro, you don't know if it's from the source, introduced by Manjaro or an issue with ArchLinux. You can't rely on the ArchLinux wiki and the ArchLinux forums or irc will refuse to help you. And the Manjaro developers have outright said in their forums that they are not responsible for users having a broken system after an upgrade. It's just a waste of everyones time.
- exceptione 3y agoTo be fair, Manjaro filled a gap for users looking for a beginner friendly Arch. I understood Arch only recently got a decent UI-based installer and Endeavouros was non-existent back then. I am pretty sure Manjaro has quite a large userbase. Since Arch stable is indeed stable these days, the Manjaro approach to package delaying does not make sense, I agree with that.
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- burningChrome 3y agoI'm interested to know why it seems easy to build a Linux gaming device, but their attempts at getting a smartphone to market has been laden with problems, delays and never really getting anything decent to market. Am I being naïve to think building a hand held gaming device should be similar to building a smartphone?
- herbst 3y agoIt's just a Linux running Steam UI. A phone needs so much more these days to be seen as competition. Ubuntu phone was beautiful and worked nicely, but without any ecosystem it felt boring and like a downgrade.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoIt’s basically a small laptop right. Much simpler than to build a modern smart phone
- devmor 3y agoThe software ecosystem. Gaming devices are easy because games are mostly just self contained executable that may rely on some OS library that can be freely pulled in (thank you WINE/Proton). Smartphones use "Apps" which are tightly bound to APIs provided by the host OS and for the most part, would need to be fully emulated. Most apps also have in-app purchasing, which relies on secure hardware APIs that are specifically designed to detect emulation and fail out. You would need a linux phone app ecosystem, and developers building popular apps for it, for linux phones to take off.
- burningChrome 3y ago>> You would need a linux phone app ecosystem, and developers building popular apps for it, for linux phones to take off. I believe this is the same thing that sank the Windows Mobile platform and their phones. They had everything BUT the ecosystem which made a lot of users hesitant to switch because a lot of their apps weren't available in the MS app store. Thanks for the clarification, it helped iron out a lot of my questions.
- mdaniel 3y ago> Orange Pi > AMD Ryzen I guess that "Pi" branding has come to mean ... small computing of any kind now? Or maybe I'm just out of the branding loop and "Orange" is more meaningful than Pi and thus they should have just omitted the "Pi" part
- meatmanek 3y agoIt's pretty common for a company to adopt their first product's name as their brand name as they branch out into other products. Just like how Raspberry Pi sells accessories, microcontrollers, cases, etc. under the brand name Raspberry Pi, Orange Pi (which originally made a product called the Orange Pi, which was definitely meant to invoke the small computing idea, totally not a trademark violation wink wink), now makes other products under that brand name. (I'm still a little miffed that RPi didn't come up with a different name for the raspberry pi pico.)