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I think unions and companies have closer working relationships in Germany and Scandinavia, partly because they start from more similar ideological perspectives.
by mjn 15y ago
I think unions and companies have closer working relationships in Germany and Scandinavia, partly because they start from more similar ideological perspectives. Scandinavian business in particular isn't nearly as hardline market-oriented; they're market-oriented of course, but tend to still use vaguely socialist rhetoric internally, care a lot about projecting a view that they take care of their workers, want to maintain good relations with their unions and avoid conflict, etc. Unions, in the other direction, are also less confrontational, and tend to use back channels and meetings rather than activist measures. The economies overall are sort of run on a general corporatist-consensus model (in the old sense of the word "corporatism"). If that model works badly it could produce corruption and smoky backroom deals, but when run well, I think it tends to produce more commonsense consensus solutions, versus the very legalistic solutions that the American industry-union standoff produces, where everything has to be precisely specified because neither side trusts the other.
One interesting feature is that much of Scandinavia is both more socialist and more marketized than the US. For example, the Danish public-transit system is heavily state-funded, but operated by private contractors, not public-sector employees. The idea seems to be to maintain a high level of public services paid for by taxes, but to actually operate those services via market-based bidding.
- huggyface 15y agoI think unions and companies have closer working relationships in Germany and Scandinavia The core of this is most certainly true. In North America there is an extremely adversarial atmosphere between unions and workplaces. This leads to the natural result that neither side ever wants to give an inch (the slippery slope principal), and will always try to take an inch, the game leading to the scenarios described. There is no doubt that the union principal is sound for many professions where power is unbalanced, however the implementation is just completely broken here.
- acdha 15y ago"partly because they start from more similar ideological perspectives" I think this is true in the US, unfortunately: the unions and upper management have very similar goals: get paid as much as possible while making as much work as possible someone else's responsibility.