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I have zero doubt in my mind that Apple is in for a rude awakening. No way will the EU stand this level of malicious compliance. The gloves are off and I fully

I have zero doubt in my mind that Apple is in for a rude awakening. No way will the EU stand this level of malicious compliance. The gloves are off and I fully expect for Apple to not come out unscathed.

masklinn 3y ago
I doubt it’s going to be an awakening, unless Apple’s execs have taken to huffing paint on a musk scale, I would assume it’s more of a cynical ploy: while the EU doesn’t like companies ignoring the spirit of the laws it usually takes limited action until it’s refined the word to match, so they’re trying out ignoring the spirit in case it either works out or gives them more time, even if the odds are low. That’s a high risk manoeuvre if the EU courts decide to make an example though.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  > That’s a high risk manoeuvre if the EU courts decide to make an example though. And the EU courts absolutely should.
maxglute 3y ago
> Apple to not come out unscathed. Doesn't mean Apple won't still come out the relative winner.
- piva00 3y ago
  Depends, if the EU wants to set an example that corporations trying to skirt the law by malicious compliance will be heavily penalised we might see Apple's products being barred from commercialisation in the entire EU until they comply. Will it suck for consumers? Yup, some people will be screaming out loud about how the non-democratic EU bureaucrats are stifling innovation (as we usually see in HN comments about EU regulations against huge corporations), at the same time Apple will capitulate if a ban on the sale of their products in the EU goes on for more than a few weeks. They capitulated on the Apple Watch sales ban in the US and the US is much more pro-business. I can't see what's the case where they end being a relative winner though, if there's one thing the EU is good at is on enforcing commercial regulations since it's still its main raison d'être.
  - maxglute 3y ago
    EU has the ultimate regulatory leverage in EU. Hence I feel like I'm missing something with Apple giving EU the fuck you. It feels so brazen. Apple capitulating in US/home market is one thing, but no telling what geopolitics goes behind the scenes for US to protect their monopoly / ecosystem capture abroad while weakly regulating at home. It's HN/US centric reaction to EU bureaucrats that suggests this could be more than EU vs Apple affair. Real money is on the line, not charging cable money.

masklinn 3y ago

I doubt it’s going to be an awakening, unless Apple’s execs have taken to huffing paint on a musk scale, I would assume it’s more of a cynical ploy: while the EU doesn’t like companies ignoring the spirit of the laws it usually takes limited action until it’s refined the word to match, so they’re trying out ignoring the spirit in case it either works out or gives them more time, even if the odds are low. That’s a high risk manoeuvre if the EU courts decide to make an example though.

surgical_fire 3y ago
> That’s a high risk manoeuvre if the EU courts decide to make an example though. And the EU courts absolutely should.

maxglute 3y ago

> Apple to not come out unscathed. Doesn't mean Apple won't still come out the relative winner.

piva00 3y ago
Depends, if the EU wants to set an example that corporations trying to skirt the law by malicious compliance will be heavily penalised we might see Apple's products being barred from commercialisation in the entire EU until they comply. Will it suck for consumers? Yup, some people will be screaming out loud about how the non-democratic EU bureaucrats are stifling innovation (as we usually see in HN comments about EU regulations against huge corporations), at the same time Apple will capitulate if a ban on the sale of their products in the EU goes on for more than a few weeks. They capitulated on the Apple Watch sales ban in the US and the US is much more pro-business. I can't see what's the case where they end being a relative winner though, if there's one thing the EU is good at is on enforcing commercial regulations since it's still its main raison d'être.
- maxglute 3y ago
  EU has the ultimate regulatory leverage in EU. Hence I feel like I'm missing something with Apple giving EU the fuck you. It feels so brazen. Apple capitulating in US/home market is one thing, but no telling what geopolitics goes behind the scenes for US to protect their monopoly / ecosystem capture abroad while weakly regulating at home. It's HN/US centric reaction to EU bureaucrats that suggests this could be more than EU vs Apple affair. Real money is on the line, not charging cable money.