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North America's population has grown since 1980 though while Europe's hasn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_(UN).svg https://en.wikipedia.

North America's population has grown since 1980 though while Europe's hasn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_(UN).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_(UN).svg A per capita comparison would be more fair.

RamblingCTO 3y ago
Yeah, not sure about this graph, it hides convenient facts. Germany is growing ever steadily and is the biggest country people-wise, and also the one with one of the biggest climate/energy impacts in Europe. No one cares about Montenegro shrinking in population size. Or Norway, Iceland with their water-powered energy grid. It depends on the countries shrinking or growing, doesn't it?
- eru 3y ago
  > Germany is growing ever steadily and is the biggest country people-wise, [...] Interesting, I was under the impression that the German population is declining. But you are right, it is slowly growing. In eg 1990 they had 73 million people, and nowadays it's 83 million (according to Google). Apparently that's all driven by net migration, because the birth rate is so low.
  - RamblingCTO 3y ago
    There were a few pretty big migration waves. Kosovo/ex Yugoslavia in the 90s, Ukraine, 2015 (middle east) etc. Where each brought > 1 million new people. So Germans are on the decline, but we're adding a lot of migration via the asylum system in. edit: data here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany
    - fulafel 3y ago
      Other migration to Germany would seem to outnumber refugees by an order of magnitude in recent times, even accounting for the 2015 spike. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Population/Migration/Tables/migration-total.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Popula... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107881/asylum-applications-total-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107881/asylum-applicati... (applications only, rejection rate is pretty high)
fulafel 3y ago
This is not really a mitigating factor in emissions, esp since US per capita emissions are vastly bigger than EU. And if you get into the per capita game, the other parts of the world would like a word...
kieranmaine 3y ago
Per-capita emissions: US: 14.9 tonnes EU: 6.0 tonnes From https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?facet=none&country=USA~European+Union+%2828%29&hideControls=false&Gas+or+Warming=CO%E2%82%82&Accounting=Production-based&Fuel+or+Land+Use+Change=All+fossil+emissions&Count=Per+capita https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?facet=none&country=...

RamblingCTO 3y ago

Yeah, not sure about this graph, it hides convenient facts. Germany is growing ever steadily and is the biggest country people-wise, and also the one with one of the biggest climate/energy impacts in Europe. No one cares about Montenegro shrinking in population size. Or Norway, Iceland with their water-powered energy grid. It depends on the countries shrinking or growing, doesn't it?

eru 3y ago
> Germany is growing ever steadily and is the biggest country people-wise, [...] Interesting, I was under the impression that the German population is declining. But you are right, it is slowly growing. In eg 1990 they had 73 million people, and nowadays it's 83 million (according to Google). Apparently that's all driven by net migration, because the birth rate is so low.
- RamblingCTO 3y ago
  There were a few pretty big migration waves. Kosovo/ex Yugoslavia in the 90s, Ukraine, 2015 (middle east) etc. Where each brought > 1 million new people. So Germans are on the decline, but we're adding a lot of migration via the asylum system in. edit: data here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany
  - fulafel 3y ago
    Other migration to Germany would seem to outnumber refugees by an order of magnitude in recent times, even accounting for the 2015 spike. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Population/Migration/Tables/migration-total.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Popula... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107881/asylum-applications-total-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107881/asylum-applicati... (applications only, rejection rate is pretty high)

fulafel 3y ago

This is not really a mitigating factor in emissions, esp since US per capita emissions are vastly bigger than EU. And if you get into the per capita game, the other parts of the world would like a word...

kieranmaine 3y ago

Per-capita emissions: US: 14.9 tonnes EU: 6.0 tonnes From https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?facet=none&country=USA~European+Union+%2828%29&hideControls=false&Gas+or+Warming=CO%E2%82%82&Accounting=Production-based&Fuel+or+Land+Use+Change=All+fossil+emissions&Count=Per+capita https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?facet=none&country=...