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You are wrong. Paris literally this week voted to tax SUVs from the city, in part because of pollution. It also speaks to a wider concern here not to allow comm

You are wrong. Paris literally this week voted to tax SUVs from the city, in part because of pollution. It also speaks to a wider concern here not to allow commerce to dominate other public goods.

mytailorisrich 3y ago
The Paris' mayor has very poor approval ratings and has organised a populist referendum on a dubious proposal to try to prop herself up... not a very good example, IMHO. "Not allow commerce to..." thrown left and right: if that's not a typical ideological stance in Europe, I don't know what is.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  > "Not allow commerce to..." thrown left and right: if that's not a typical ideological stance in Europe, I don't know what is. Yeah but that's a good thing in my book. The US tends to be very unbalanced in this regard, commerce all the way and not much attention to externalities, both environmental and societal (e.g. welfare and labour rights) Europe is substantially different from an ideological perspective and that provides us with a much better quality of life (much lower violent crime, much better public transport, no crazy healthcare prices, greener cities etc). Of course the US does better economically but economy isn't everything. And it's a self-defeating goal anyway, the more money people have, the more they spend on scarce housing and other goods which means the housing crisis is just as bad in the US as it is here despite the higher salaries there. > The Paris' mayor has very poor approval ratings and has organised a populist referendum on a dubious proposal to try to prop herself up... not a very good example, IMHO. Paris is far from the only city in Europe banning the most polluting vehicles. Almost every major city does this now. And the air quality really did improve due to this. And our cities are just a lot more smaller scale due to the longer history - there's a reason the smart was invented here :)
  - mytailorisrich 3y ago
    > Paris is far from the only city in Europe banning the most polluting vehicles Hmm, this is about making parking more expensive for large SUVs of non-residents, not air pollution or polluting vehicles. Note also that only 5% of people showed up to vote in that 'referendum'. This is really all a distraction spun by the media and Paris mayor. But it works!

You are wrong. Paris literally this week voted to tax SUVs from the city, in part because of pollution. It also speaks to a wider concern here not to allow commerce to dominate other public goods.

mytailorisrich 3y ago

The Paris' mayor has very poor approval ratings and has organised a populist referendum on a dubious proposal to try to prop herself up... not a very good example, IMHO. "Not allow commerce to..." thrown left and right: if that's not a typical ideological stance in Europe, I don't know what is.

wkat4242 3y ago
> "Not allow commerce to..." thrown left and right: if that's not a typical ideological stance in Europe, I don't know what is. Yeah but that's a good thing in my book. The US tends to be very unbalanced in this regard, commerce all the way and not much attention to externalities, both environmental and societal (e.g. welfare and labour rights) Europe is substantially different from an ideological perspective and that provides us with a much better quality of life (much lower violent crime, much better public transport, no crazy healthcare prices, greener cities etc). Of course the US does better economically but economy isn't everything. And it's a self-defeating goal anyway, the more money people have, the more they spend on scarce housing and other goods which means the housing crisis is just as bad in the US as it is here despite the higher salaries there. > The Paris' mayor has very poor approval ratings and has organised a populist referendum on a dubious proposal to try to prop herself up... not a very good example, IMHO. Paris is far from the only city in Europe banning the most polluting vehicles. Almost every major city does this now. And the air quality really did improve due to this. And our cities are just a lot more smaller scale due to the longer history - there's a reason the smart was invented here :)
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  > Paris is far from the only city in Europe banning the most polluting vehicles Hmm, this is about making parking more expensive for large SUVs of non-residents, not air pollution or polluting vehicles. Note also that only 5% of people showed up to vote in that 'referendum'. This is really all a distraction spun by the media and Paris mayor. But it works!