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Nuclear doesn't suck CO2 either. Moreover a single nuclear unit costs billions to build, billions to maintain, billions to dismantle, all under control of a si

Nuclear doesn't suck CO2 either. Moreover a single nuclear unit costs billions to build, billions to maintain, billions to dismantle, all under control of a single entity/company. Whereas renewable costs are much more spread, can be managed by many different companies, etc.

jansan 3y ago
Those nuclear power plants were already there and running. Also, they were quite modern and safe compared to many other nuclear power plants in Europe.
eru 3y ago
> Nuclear doesn't suck CO2 either. Yes, agreed. > Moreover a single nuclear unit costs billions to build, billions to maintain, billions to dismantle, all under control of a single entity/company. Whereas renewable costs are much more spread, can be managed by many different companies, etc. The government should ask nuclear power companies to post a bond upfront to pay for the dismantling. I don't think the whole 'single entity' thing is that bad. Nuclear power plants are still relatively small compared to the whole power infrastructure of a country. They are not more concentrated than eg hydro-electric generation from dams. Just to be clear: I'm not arguing against renewables here. I'm arguing against turning off nuclear power plants that are already running, and have modern-enough safety features. (Though I would argue against giving direct subsidies to both nuclear power plants and renewables. You should tax emissions, and let the market sort it out. You can even re-distribute the take from that tax to all voters, so that the average person doesn't have any extra tax burden.)
- onli 3y ago
  In Germany, the government is paying for the dismantling. All external cost of nuclear was and is payed for by the government, safe some small token contributions by the companies in the beginning. Those got the profits instead. Germany had so little nuclear power left that leaving them running had no impact in the roadmap for green energies and energy prices. They had to be shut down anyway soon since they were old and insecure.
- bigfudge 3y ago
  The idea of a nuclear company listing a bond p front is laughable. It’s already the most expensive source by a margin. What would that do to prices
  - midasuni 3y ago
    Make them realistic

jansan 3y ago

Those nuclear power plants were already there and running. Also, they were quite modern and safe compared to many other nuclear power plants in Europe.

eru 3y ago

> Nuclear doesn't suck CO2 either. Yes, agreed. > Moreover a single nuclear unit costs billions to build, billions to maintain, billions to dismantle, all under control of a single entity/company. Whereas renewable costs are much more spread, can be managed by many different companies, etc. The government should ask nuclear power companies to post a bond upfront to pay for the dismantling. I don't think the whole 'single entity' thing is that bad. Nuclear power plants are still relatively small compared to the whole power infrastructure of a country. They are not more concentrated than eg hydro-electric generation from dams. Just to be clear: I'm not arguing against renewables here. I'm arguing against turning off nuclear power plants that are already running, and have modern-enough safety features. (Though I would argue against giving direct subsidies to both nuclear power plants and renewables. You should tax emissions, and let the market sort it out. You can even re-distribute the take from that tax to all voters, so that the average person doesn't have any extra tax burden.)

onli 3y ago
In Germany, the government is paying for the dismantling. All external cost of nuclear was and is payed for by the government, safe some small token contributions by the companies in the beginning. Those got the profits instead. Germany had so little nuclear power left that leaving them running had no impact in the roadmap for green energies and energy prices. They had to be shut down anyway soon since they were old and insecure.
bigfudge 3y ago
The idea of a nuclear company listing a bond p front is laughable. It’s already the most expensive source by a margin. What would that do to prices
- midasuni 3y ago
  Make them realistic