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Of course this is true - my first thought is this article just makes me question its premise that noise pollution itself is inherently harmful to humans. That

Of course this is true - my first thought is this article just makes me question its premise that noise pollution itself is inherently harmful to humans. That was the only “intent” to my post, not suggesting we should literally tolerate or promote excessive noise because my subjective experience makes it useful.

lxgr 3y ago
> this article just makes me question its premise that noise pollution itself is inherently harmful to humans For all we know, it really is: It increases blood pressure [1], harms brain development [2], and causes cognitive impairment [3], just to name a few. Of course not all noise is the same, and e.g. white noise can help mask both tinnitus and other, more stress-inducing noises (e.g. loud music, people yelling on the street etc. – personally, I sleep significantly better with a white noise machine masking city noises). [1] https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2023/03/22/18/46/Road-Noise-Makes-Your-Blood-Pressure-Rise-Literally https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2023/03/22/18/4... [2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412022002331# https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041202... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/
- JohnMakin 3y ago
  “for all we know” is a powerful qualifier - I don’t think any of the articles you linked show noise itself is inherently harmful. It seems like the responses to noise stimuli in some of the subjects of these these particular studies could cause harm, but nothing about noise itself. One of the articles you link mostly deals with observing sudden loud noises effects on subjects’ concentration - which is not what I am talking about. Even very loud sounds can become white noise to people if they are persistent.
  - lxgr 3y ago
    > It seems like the responses to noise stimuli in some of the subjects of these these particular studies could cause harm, but nothing about noise itself. Yes, in a similar way to how nobody dies from a fall – it's always the abrupt landing that follows. These reactions (blood pressure rising etc.) are largely involuntary, so why not prevent the cause if it's feasible?

lxgr 3y ago

> this article just makes me question its premise that noise pollution itself is inherently harmful to humans For all we know, it really is: It increases blood pressure [1], harms brain development [2], and causes cognitive impairment [3], just to name a few. Of course not all noise is the same, and e.g. white noise can help mask both tinnitus and other, more stress-inducing noises (e.g. loud music, people yelling on the street etc. – personally, I sleep significantly better with a white noise machine masking city noises). [1] https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2023/03/22/18/46/Road-Noise-Makes-Your-Blood-Pressure-Rise-Literally https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2023/03/22/18/4... [2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412022002331# https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041202... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/

JohnMakin 3y ago
“for all we know” is a powerful qualifier - I don’t think any of the articles you linked show noise itself is inherently harmful. It seems like the responses to noise stimuli in some of the subjects of these these particular studies could cause harm, but nothing about noise itself. One of the articles you link mostly deals with observing sudden loud noises effects on subjects’ concentration - which is not what I am talking about. Even very loud sounds can become white noise to people if they are persistent.
- lxgr 3y ago
  > It seems like the responses to noise stimuli in some of the subjects of these these particular studies could cause harm, but nothing about noise itself. Yes, in a similar way to how nobody dies from a fall – it's always the abrupt landing that follows. These reactions (blood pressure rising etc.) are largely involuntary, so why not prevent the cause if it's feasible?