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I’m not a fan of their embrace of pop music. Music publications are useful to the extent that they introduce you to music you wouldn’t have otherwise heard. You

by Gimpei 3y ago

I’m not a fan of their embrace of pop music. Music publications are useful to the extent that they introduce you to music you wouldn’t have otherwise heard. You can’t avoid hearing pop music all the damn time. Why anyone would want to read about it as well is beyond me.

Solvency 3y ago
Since day one, Pitchfork (all white nerds) used to love to throttle good music but they'd always give a pass to mainstream rap, praising even the most generic mass produced hip hop, like they always secretly wanted to fit in with that crowd.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  ..and yet they dinged Childish Gambino's critically aclaimed album[1] - maybe the white nerds were contrarian, or just didn't "get" hip hop. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39284608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39284608
  - Lewton 3y ago
    “Camp” was in no way critically acclaimed, it’s sitting at a 69/100 on metacritic which is squarely in the “eh, it’s alright” bracket
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      Sure, but Pitchfork rated it as 16/100, which is far from "eh, it's alright"
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  This is because the production value and musical vision & execution of mainstream rap has been very high for a long time. Combined with the extremely low cost of entry (a microphone), most bad rap is solo indie production and most stuff that gets picked up by labels is high quality on the genre's terms¹. This has recently become true of pop as well, which is one of the defining qualities of the "poptimism" era. It's not that all the music critics simultaneously sold out and started giving undeservingly good reviews to pop, it's that the baseline standard of musical quality in pop became very high. ¹: There has always been, and continues to be, a subsection of rap that also succeeds on musical terms inherited from outside of hip hop, especially from jazz. This is usually what people who are not extremely into hip hop mean when they talk about "good rap." But someone who doesn't appreciate the role of eg lil wayne & young thug is frankly not informed enough about the genre & its conventions to have a useful opinion about quality within it.

by Gimpei 3y ago

Solvency 3y ago

Since day one, Pitchfork (all white nerds) used to love to throttle good music but they'd always give a pass to mainstream rap, praising even the most generic mass produced hip hop, like they always secretly wanted to fit in with that crowd.

sangnoir 3y ago
..and yet they dinged Childish Gambino's critically aclaimed album[1] - maybe the white nerds were contrarian, or just didn't "get" hip hop. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39284608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39284608
- Lewton 3y ago
  “Camp” was in no way critically acclaimed, it’s sitting at a 69/100 on metacritic which is squarely in the “eh, it’s alright” bracket
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    Sure, but Pitchfork rated it as 16/100, which is far from "eh, it's alright"
giraffe_lady 3y ago
This is because the production value and musical vision & execution of mainstream rap has been very high for a long time. Combined with the extremely low cost of entry (a microphone), most bad rap is solo indie production and most stuff that gets picked up by labels is high quality on the genre's terms¹. This has recently become true of pop as well, which is one of the defining qualities of the "poptimism" era. It's not that all the music critics simultaneously sold out and started giving undeservingly good reviews to pop, it's that the baseline standard of musical quality in pop became very high. ¹: There has always been, and continues to be, a subsection of rap that also succeeds on musical terms inherited from outside of hip hop, especially from jazz. This is usually what people who are not extremely into hip hop mean when they talk about "good rap." But someone who doesn't appreciate the role of eg lil wayne & young thug is frankly not informed enough about the genre & its conventions to have a useful opinion about quality within it.