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There's something I don't understand: I've been taught my entire life that I should respect the rules. Obey the law. Are people illegally coming into a country

There's something I don't understand: I've been taught my entire life that I should respect the rules. Obey the law. Are people illegally coming into a country going to then obey its rules and follow its laws?

hotpotamus 3y ago
My entire experience as an American has taught me that rules are for someone else to follow. For instance, I get made fun of for following the speed limits. Jobs have taken labor laws as minor hindrances to be worked around at best or ignored outright - these people seem to be finding work after all, aren’t they? I’m not super comfortable with it either, but it seems to be a country where opportunity is placed above the law.
- 462436347 3y ago
  https://paulgraham.com/founders.html https://paulgraham.com/founders.html > 4. Naughtiness > Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it may be implied by imagination. > Sam Altman of Loopt is one of the most successful alumni, so we asked him what question we could put on the Y Combinator application that would help us discover more people like him. He said to ask about a time when they'd hacked something to their advantage—hacked in the sense of beating the system, not breaking into computers. It has become one of the questions we pay most attention to when judging applications.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    Interestingly you've left it somewhat ambiguous as to whether you view these immigrants as morally upright while being somewhat naughty. You could certainly say that they've found an exploit/hack in the system by claiming asylum and could view that as clever and/or immoral depending on the eye of the beholder. I will say that I don't think the situation is being handled all that well (and I suppose hasn't for decades, but perhaps that just goes to show that there's not much we can do at all), but as a resident of South Texas, I haven't felt any actual problems with my day-to-day life that I can directly attribute to illegal immigration.
    - 462436347 3y ago
      > Interestingly you've left it somewhat ambiguous as to whether you view these immigrants as morally upright while being somewhat naughty. I thought my post was unambiguous. Powerful, successful people (like pg and sama) clearly don't believe the rules apply to them.
- ssss11 3y ago
  Wow that is saddening to hear.
throwitaway222 3y ago
No, they're coming in and then beating up NY cops. When the DA let them off, they also decided to flip off the cameras instead of trying to argue "why they had to do that" - because there has to be some reason. No, the more people that we let in like that, the more this country turns into that. I'm not signed up for that.

hotpotamus 3y ago

My entire experience as an American has taught me that rules are for someone else to follow. For instance, I get made fun of for following the speed limits. Jobs have taken labor laws as minor hindrances to be worked around at best or ignored outright - these people seem to be finding work after all, aren’t they? I’m not super comfortable with it either, but it seems to be a country where opportunity is placed above the law.

462436347 3y ago
https://paulgraham.com/founders.html https://paulgraham.com/founders.html > 4. Naughtiness > Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it may be implied by imagination. > Sam Altman of Loopt is one of the most successful alumni, so we asked him what question we could put on the Y Combinator application that would help us discover more people like him. He said to ask about a time when they'd hacked something to their advantage—hacked in the sense of beating the system, not breaking into computers. It has become one of the questions we pay most attention to when judging applications.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  Interestingly you've left it somewhat ambiguous as to whether you view these immigrants as morally upright while being somewhat naughty. You could certainly say that they've found an exploit/hack in the system by claiming asylum and could view that as clever and/or immoral depending on the eye of the beholder. I will say that I don't think the situation is being handled all that well (and I suppose hasn't for decades, but perhaps that just goes to show that there's not much we can do at all), but as a resident of South Texas, I haven't felt any actual problems with my day-to-day life that I can directly attribute to illegal immigration.
  - 462436347 3y ago
    > Interestingly you've left it somewhat ambiguous as to whether you view these immigrants as morally upright while being somewhat naughty. I thought my post was unambiguous. Powerful, successful people (like pg and sama) clearly don't believe the rules apply to them.
ssss11 3y ago
Wow that is saddening to hear.

throwitaway222 3y ago

No, they're coming in and then beating up NY cops. When the DA let them off, they also decided to flip off the cameras instead of trying to argue "why they had to do that" - because there has to be some reason. No, the more people that we let in like that, the more this country turns into that. I'm not signed up for that.