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For many of us with loud exhausts, the aim isn't noise... It is free flowing gasses allowing the engine to produce more power. The noise is what it is for that.
by sirsinsalot 3y ago
For many of us with loud exhausts, the aim isn't noise... It is free flowing gasses allowing the engine to produce more power. The noise is what it is for that.
That said, as a loud car driver, I can't stand people who map pops-and-bangs into their car or buy loud exhausts for loudness sake. It is lame, from an engineering standpoint.
Also those of us with loud, modified, high performance cars appreciate engineering. With this comes maps and exhaust valves to allow the car to be quieter at 3am.
Point is, we are not all the same. A ban would treat me as a criminal to punish the others.
Isn't this something we argue is bad all the time here? Such as surveillance of everyone as if they're criminals for the sake of crime reduction?
The situation with loud cars is more nuanced.
Nuance is easy to ignore when something irritates or annoys you personally.
- amrocha 3y agoIt's really not nuanced. You seem to think that other loud cars are bad but your loud car is ok but guess what, they're all the same to the people outside the car. I don't care about your performance car. Go to a racetrack if you want that. Get your loud car off public streets.
- sirsinsalot 3y agoI think my loud car is OK when it isn't loud. When I switch map and close the exhaust flaps. OPs view would ban my modifications, when I respect people's desire not to hear my car. I'm saying don't tar everyone with the same brush. But sure, over simplify and catastrophise. It's clear you didn't read my whole reply but chose the pitchfork instead.
- amrocha 3y agoOk but why should a car have the ability to be a nuisance in the first place? I get that you're saying you're responsible about it but if we allow that, then people who are not responsible will also do it.
- samatman 3y agoThe generalization of what you're saying here would ban trombones, because someone can get drunk and play them at 3AM. Pre-crime is a poor basis for law.
- earthling8118 3y agoNobody mentioned trombones. This discussion is about automobiles.
- samatman 3y agoDo you have difficulty generalizing in general, or just in this specific case?
- amrocha 3y agoThat's the same logic that mass murder supporters use to justify the sale of assault rifles to the general public in the USA
- sirsinsalot 3y ago"mass murder supporters"... I'm pro gun control and that's weird language and logic even for me. I can't have reasoned discussion with that kind of dogmatic mindset.
- samatman 3y agoSure, that makes sense, I guess. Since I do support the sale of semiautomatic weapons to the general public, unlike genocide supporters such as yourself. Every government which commits genocide begins by confiscating weapons from the public, after all. So that must be what you want. I'm kind of joking, I consider gun-control advocates to be sincere, but tragically mistaken. I just figured your insane hyperbole deserved the same.
- lxgr 3y agoThere is no alternative to a trombone making noise, but silent cars that get you from A to B at whatever speed you desire very much do exist. That said, I have no issue at all with loud cars existing, as long as nobody that's annoyed by them ever has to hear them. They shouldn't get a license plate for public roads though.
- hollerith 3y agoDo you deny that loud exhausts are unhealthy for people (like the OP maintains) or do you maintain that the adverse health effects are justified by the excellent engineering efficiency of your car?
- sirsinsalot 3y agoI'm saying I can close exhaust flaps and switch map to make it quiet. Because I appreciate not everyone wants to hear it. OPs catch-all argument would ban my modifications. It's a classic example of "I don't like X so let's ban it" without any rigor to examine or hear the various ways X isn't always ban worthy.
- lxgr 3y agoWhen would you ever not close them?
- sirsinsalot 3y agoEven from the factory they open in 2nd gear above a certain engine load. You don't understand how engines are designed.
- lxgr 3y agoYou’re right, I don’t. But empirically, I can see that building quiet ones that perform very well has been possible for many years now, so I consider intentionally buying a loud one and regularly using it anywhere other than on a racetrack sociopathic behavior.
- sirsinsalot 3y agoNot only do you not understand internal combustion engines, you also don't understand psychology too. But hey, let's not allow something like being uninformed stop us making broad statements and seeing the world as black-or-white.
- genter 3y agoYet somehow GM was able to engineer a Corvette to have a factory muffler that's pretty fucking quiet (I would know, I had a family member with one) yet flows enough exhaust to make 500 HP.
- sirsinsalot 3y agoRead my reply. I'm not saying loud exhausts are good all the time. I'm saying they shouldn't all be banned, because it isn't black/white. My exhaust is perfectly quiet and within regulations off the track. The OPs argument would ban my perfectly polite modifications because they have the potential to be loud some of the time. There's no nuance in the argument, or point to yours.
- genter 3y agoMy point is that a loud muffler isn't necessary on the track, by showing a production car can be quiet yet still fun to drive. But you're right, there is no nuance in my argument. I'm so fucking sick and tired of being woken up 2:00 in the morning by my neighbors cars that this is something that I feel strongly about. And there's lots of others like me.
- sirsinsalot 3y agoI live in a city where people redline V10 Lambourghinis at 3am showing off to their friends. I hate it. I'm with you. My point is that banning all loud or modified exhausts isn't the right answer. There are false equivalences. The upset is justified, I'm saying the extreme reaction to ban all modifications to exhausts is an overreaction.
- ChainOfFools 3y agoAs s long time FD owner with a deleted precat, ceramic coated downpipe, 3" catback exhaust and mild street port (that could be driven quietly under very narrow circumstances, but often wasnt, because what's the point of expensive mods of you don't use them) I'm sorry you think you need a loud exhaust to make decent power. this is largely a self- justifying myth told by insensitive jerks to other insensitive jerks to cosign each others' abuse of the public space for their own selfish (snd juvenile) enjoyment. i grew up and got rid of my stupid childrens' desperate attention seeking noisemaker toy and you should do the same.
- cassianoleal 3y agoI agree partially. Having a loud exhaust could be legal. Driving with a loud exhaust on public spaces should not ever, regardless of the time of the day or if it's a main road or a small neighbourhood. It's always disturbing. If you have a car with a loud exhaust that can be silenced, keep it silent until you're out of public, like in a race track or your own private property in the middle of nowhere. That said, self-regulating seldom works and enforcing this at the point of the infraction is very very hard. The next best solution is to ban loud cars from driving in public spaces. You're welcome to transport your loud car to the race track and use it there but use a quiet one for that.