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> Then you're left with supporting roughly our current population level which seems... entirely feasible? That doesn't match data I've seen. For example, even
by titzer 3y ago
> Then you're left with supporting roughly our current population level which seems... entirely feasible?
That doesn't match data I've seen. For example, even the Wikipedia article on carrying capacity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity), second paragraph, states there are a number of lines of scientific evidence that we are already over capacity of Earth today. One project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Overshoot_Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Overshoot_Day) does pretty intense data analysis to quantify how far we are over that capacity. The summary is, yes, we are definitely in overshoot, and all economic development to raise standard of living is making it worse.
But it's even worse than that. We aren't just exceeding the carrying capacity, it is diminishing as we reduce biodiversity and biomass through land use (read: obliterating wildlife and forests), overfishing, and over-industrialization of agriculture, which kills healthy soils.
> Between existing but underutilized techniques like fission, renewables, smarter land use and management for agriculture
It's not just about producing more energy. We are consuming everything too much, from biomass to raw materials, even fresh water.
> Fusion power would immediately solve a lot of problems.
It might reduce CO2 consumption but ironically it will increase per capita energy consumption, which encourages even more environmental destruction by making everything cheaper to build and buy. So more land use and more consumption.
- williamcotton 3y agoMalthus had plenty of scientific evidence as well! What he didn’t have was fertilizer and tractors.
- dbspin 3y agoFertilizer and tractors both contributed enormously to devastaing the biodiversity of the planet. The question is not whether we can sustain a larger population, but whether we can sustain a population as large as currently exists - while maintaining any semblance of a natural world. Over a long enough time line both questions almost certainly do in fact merge. But it's equally possible to conceive of a medium term future with nature utterly devastated and humanity clinging on in increasingly baroque ways to a dying rock.