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i'm a one man shop in montana, competing w/ Google, Vercel & Facebook for dev mindshare if i did what everyone else does you never would have heard of htmx ht

i'm a one man shop in montana, competing w/ Google, Vercel & Facebook for dev mindshare if i did what everyone else does you never would have heard of htmx https://star-history.com/#bigskysoftware/htmx&Date https://star-history.com/#bigskysoftware/htmx&Date <insert jack sparrow "but you have heard of me" meme here>

adastra22 3y ago
Alright, you be you. I'll never knowingly use your code though. Maybe I'm an old fart, but to me (and others) a lack of professionalism betrays a lack of seriousness and concern for downstream users.
- recursivedoubts 3y ago
  i don't trust my code either, but I do trust my test suite: https://htmx.org/test/ https://htmx.org/test/ re: downstream users, I'm extremely concerned w/backwards compatibility (htmx 1.x is IE11 compatible and will be supported in perpetuity, as is intercooler.js, its predecessor), the library is dependency free, it works with any kind of back-end you'd like and doesn't demand any particular type of build system. The library is BSD-0 licensed to maximize its usefulness and I do a deep dive on the implementation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=javGxN-h9VQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=javGxN-h9VQ I've written a book on htmx and the broader ideas of hypermedia you can read for free here: https://hypermedia.systems https://hypermedia.systems and I have a series of essays on hypermedia and related topics here: https://htmx.org/essays https://htmx.org/essays I also wrote this: https://grugbrain.dev https://grugbrain.dev it is, unfortunately, silly
  - fl0ki 3y ago
    When any new tech gets hyped enough, some people instinctively drag it, if not for technical reasons then for aesthetic and social ones. If the worst thing people can say about HTMX is that its creator posts memes, the tech itself must be doing pretty well.
- PedroBatista 3y ago
  Professional - person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee. Lets not be literal but also lets not ignore the clues. How those wonderful technological babel towers coming from all those very serious professionals at FAANG and adjacent often with yearly marketing budgets bigger than your net worth have been treating you? Funny thing, many of those cool frameworks seem to get "deprecated" when the authors ( very professional and serious people ) get promoted or leave the company. At least they tend "sunset" the libs and frameworks in a very professional and concern way. On a less facetious note: Your "fears" are valid and common, but you are so focused on the package design you're missing the actual product.
  - adastra22 3y ago
    How many ambitious projects have been started by young people and pushed to GitHub, but abandoned when a shinier thing comes by? Edge lording and meme posting on twitter makes me think this outcome is more likely. It's a heuristic, but one that has served me well.
    - keizo 3y ago
      You should read past the cover page. Guy is legit, cs prof, and a fellow old guy. He’s been at this a long time and by all means should write a modern day marketing book too. Some of his other code is getting pretty wide distribution (in rails). Worth learning about imho even if you don’t use it.
    - Noneofya 3y ago
      I call confirmation bias.
- yawaramin 3y ago
  > lack of professionalism Professionalism is what you expect when you pay someone money. If we started calling things we don't like 'unprofessional', then the fact that you find fault with someone who is pouring their own time and money into giving away software to the world for free, could be called 'unprofessional'.

adastra22 3y ago

Alright, you be you. I'll never knowingly use your code though. Maybe I'm an old fart, but to me (and others) a lack of professionalism betrays a lack of seriousness and concern for downstream users.

recursivedoubts 3y ago
i don't trust my code either, but I do trust my test suite: https://htmx.org/test/ https://htmx.org/test/ re: downstream users, I'm extremely concerned w/backwards compatibility (htmx 1.x is IE11 compatible and will be supported in perpetuity, as is intercooler.js, its predecessor), the library is dependency free, it works with any kind of back-end you'd like and doesn't demand any particular type of build system. The library is BSD-0 licensed to maximize its usefulness and I do a deep dive on the implementation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=javGxN-h9VQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=javGxN-h9VQ I've written a book on htmx and the broader ideas of hypermedia you can read for free here: https://hypermedia.systems https://hypermedia.systems and I have a series of essays on hypermedia and related topics here: https://htmx.org/essays https://htmx.org/essays I also wrote this: https://grugbrain.dev https://grugbrain.dev it is, unfortunately, silly
- fl0ki 3y ago
  When any new tech gets hyped enough, some people instinctively drag it, if not for technical reasons then for aesthetic and social ones. If the worst thing people can say about HTMX is that its creator posts memes, the tech itself must be doing pretty well.
PedroBatista 3y ago
Professional - person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee. Lets not be literal but also lets not ignore the clues. How those wonderful technological babel towers coming from all those very serious professionals at FAANG and adjacent often with yearly marketing budgets bigger than your net worth have been treating you? Funny thing, many of those cool frameworks seem to get "deprecated" when the authors ( very professional and serious people ) get promoted or leave the company. At least they tend "sunset" the libs and frameworks in a very professional and concern way. On a less facetious note: Your "fears" are valid and common, but you are so focused on the package design you're missing the actual product.
- adastra22 3y ago
  How many ambitious projects have been started by young people and pushed to GitHub, but abandoned when a shinier thing comes by? Edge lording and meme posting on twitter makes me think this outcome is more likely. It's a heuristic, but one that has served me well.
  - keizo 3y ago
    You should read past the cover page. Guy is legit, cs prof, and a fellow old guy. He’s been at this a long time and by all means should write a modern day marketing book too. Some of his other code is getting pretty wide distribution (in rails). Worth learning about imho even if you don’t use it.
  - Noneofya 3y ago
    I call confirmation bias.
yawaramin 3y ago
> lack of professionalism Professionalism is what you expect when you pay someone money. If we started calling things we don't like 'unprofessional', then the fact that you find fault with someone who is pouring their own time and money into giving away software to the world for free, could be called 'unprofessional'.