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I definitely find the AT folks to be the most pragmatic when compared to ActivityPub and nostr. The best example IMO is how neither of them have a realistic ide

I definitely find the AT folks to be the most pragmatic when compared to ActivityPub and nostr. The best example IMO is how neither of them have a realistic identity migration story. ActivityPub implementations need to support bringing your own domain to any Mastodon/Lemmy/etc server. As for nostr, PKI has yet to prove that it can provide a viable UX for identity management. I'm still fairly optimistic about ActivityPub since a lot of the problems there are in theory solvable, but we'll see.

sunshowers 3y ago
Mastodon is my primary social network for two reasons: * it has by far the highest-quality conversations I've ever seen * no right-wing freaks disparaging trans people in the replies to everything ActivityPub does have a migration story -- people move servers all the time. But it's not as good as it could be, and there are rough edges.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  On Mastodon I only have to block half of the obnoxious people.
- apitman 3y ago
  > ActivityPub does have a migration story -- people move servers all the time Correct me if I'm wrong (and in this case I would love to be), but you can migrate your account to a new server, but you have to create a new identity (ie profile URI) on that server. This would be fairly easily solved by servers allowing users to bring their own domain names. In the age of Let's Encrypt it's much easier to manage certs for many domains. They've known about this for 6+ years[0]. The fact it's not a high priority is concerning. [0]: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2668 https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2668
  - sunshowers 3y ago
    Yes, that's the biggest rough edge -- it's not portable (and that was the promise of Bluesky).
    - apitman 3y ago
      Unfortunately that's not a rough edge for me. It's a deal breaker. Especially in the scenario where your instance disappears overnight without helping users migrate. Fortunately this isn't an inherent limitation of ActivityPub, and I'm hopeful we'll see implementations with better custom domain support in the future.
      - rapnie 3y ago
        Overnight disappearance is bad, yes. Whether normal migration a deal breaker is personal of course. Having a slightly different attitude to your account helps. Don't get too attached to your identity and the archive of toots that builds up. The quality interactions are what make the Fediverse most enjoyable (imho), and those come along fine in a migration of followers/following. And people hitting your old profile, will see the redirection to your new location.
- Spivak 3y ago
  > trans people in the replies to everything Oh thank god I'm not crazy and not the only one. I genuinely don't understand what either broke these people or what propaganda/troll bot network is responsible but the replies randomly ranting about trans people in threads that neither involve an actual trans person in the conversation nor are about anything even remotely related to lgbt issues is baffling.
  - emseetech 3y ago
    Years back someone on a podcast said “once someone tweets about trans people they will never tweet normal again” and it’s a social phenomenon I can’t explain but keeps proving itself.
    - burtness 3y ago
      Ah, good ol' Riley's law
  - sunshowers 3y ago
    Elon promoting far-right conspiracy theories has been pretty instrumental. Even just six months ago it wasn't nearly as bad on Twitter.
- jszymborski 3y ago
  > * no right-wing freaks disparaging trans people in the replies to everything I mean, they most certainly are on the Fediverse/Mastodon, but they are also almost certainly not federated with your instance.
  - sunshowers 3y ago
    Absolutely! I know for a fact that there's a whole network of instances that are in mutual bans with the network around mine, so I don't get to see them and they don't get to see me. It's lovely!
- darthrupert 3y ago
  Where in Mastodon are you finding those high quality conversations? Most of what I see is leftist ragebait.

sunshowers 3y ago

Mastodon is my primary social network for two reasons: * it has by far the highest-quality conversations I've ever seen * no right-wing freaks disparaging trans people in the replies to everything ActivityPub does have a migration story -- people move servers all the time. But it's not as good as it could be, and there are rough edges.

PaulHoule 3y ago
On Mastodon I only have to block half of the obnoxious people.
apitman 3y ago
> ActivityPub does have a migration story -- people move servers all the time Correct me if I'm wrong (and in this case I would love to be), but you can migrate your account to a new server, but you have to create a new identity (ie profile URI) on that server. This would be fairly easily solved by servers allowing users to bring their own domain names. In the age of Let's Encrypt it's much easier to manage certs for many domains. They've known about this for 6+ years[0]. The fact it's not a high priority is concerning. [0]: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2668 https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2668
- sunshowers 3y ago
  Yes, that's the biggest rough edge -- it's not portable (and that was the promise of Bluesky).
  - apitman 3y ago
    Unfortunately that's not a rough edge for me. It's a deal breaker. Especially in the scenario where your instance disappears overnight without helping users migrate. Fortunately this isn't an inherent limitation of ActivityPub, and I'm hopeful we'll see implementations with better custom domain support in the future.
    - rapnie 3y ago
      Overnight disappearance is bad, yes. Whether normal migration a deal breaker is personal of course. Having a slightly different attitude to your account helps. Don't get too attached to your identity and the archive of toots that builds up. The quality interactions are what make the Fediverse most enjoyable (imho), and those come along fine in a migration of followers/following. And people hitting your old profile, will see the redirection to your new location.
Spivak 3y ago
> trans people in the replies to everything Oh thank god I'm not crazy and not the only one. I genuinely don't understand what either broke these people or what propaganda/troll bot network is responsible but the replies randomly ranting about trans people in threads that neither involve an actual trans person in the conversation nor are about anything even remotely related to lgbt issues is baffling.
- emseetech 3y ago
  Years back someone on a podcast said “once someone tweets about trans people they will never tweet normal again” and it’s a social phenomenon I can’t explain but keeps proving itself.
  - burtness 3y ago
    Ah, good ol' Riley's law
- sunshowers 3y ago
  Elon promoting far-right conspiracy theories has been pretty instrumental. Even just six months ago it wasn't nearly as bad on Twitter.
jszymborski 3y ago
> * no right-wing freaks disparaging trans people in the replies to everything I mean, they most certainly are on the Fediverse/Mastodon, but they are also almost certainly not federated with your instance.
- sunshowers 3y ago
  Absolutely! I know for a fact that there's a whole network of instances that are in mutual bans with the network around mine, so I don't get to see them and they don't get to see me. It's lovely!
darthrupert 3y ago
Where in Mastodon are you finding those high quality conversations? Most of what I see is leftist ragebait.