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No oil changes. No smog inspection. No visits to the filling station. No timing belt. No transmission fluid. Also, Corolla tire pressure gauges seem to be desig

No oil changes. No smog inspection. No visits to the filling station. No timing belt. No transmission fluid. Also, Corolla tire pressure gauges seem to be designed to break after several years, and are seemingly designed to be too expensive to repair. (Pretty much take this as a given for many years of Corollas.) I don't see that as being a problem on the Teslas. There's just far less to go wrong on an EV. Corollas have a reputation for reliability? The Teslas following the S/X super luxury models, the 3 and the Y, look to beat them at this game.

bane 3y ago
More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Not as bad as Jeeps or Chevys, but below Ford, Dodge, and Lincoln. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true.
- stcredzero 3y ago
  More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. [Citation Needed] There's a long history of such rankings being gamed by the auto industry. If you follow Tesla closely, it's quite obvious that so many of the rankings are simply designed to exclude or disadvantage them. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true. In automotive history, when there's disruption and car adoption shifts so massively, has it ever turned out that large numbers of people were deluded? Has it ever turned out that large numbers of people saw real value where complacent incumbents dropped the ball? (Example: Japanese imports disrupting the US market.) That answer to both is yes. However, the 2nd has been more often the case. Also, the instances of the 1st simply don't last multiple years. So if you consider automotive history, it's far more likely that loyal Tesla owners are onto something, and you simply want them to be deluded.
  - bane 3y ago
    > and you simply want them to be deluded I'm pretty sure that's not what I said.
    - stcredzero 3y ago
      Sorry if I mistook your intent. However: More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Really, you should look more closely at automotive industry rankings. This is basically fodder for the legacy media, which has deservedly lost a lot of credibility. For that matter, take a close look at media covering these things. So many of these things are gamed. Also look up what Peter Thiel says about incumbency, ossification, and lack of true innovation in today's industry. It's not that the emperor has no clothes, but things a lot skimpier than they're supposed to be.
      - bane 3y ago
        I broadly agree with you on your points, and as a Tesla shareholder with a slightly embarrassing amount of money tied up in them, I have nothing but self-interested desire for them to do well. What seems to happen often with owners of the vehicles is that they are so enamored with many of the benefits of them, that they overlook some issues -- sometimes to the point where they don't or won't acknowledge them. And use this very biased point of view to extend their positive feelings and anecdotes towards the entire brand. I also personally believe that things that were issues with traditional ICE cars simply aren't the same kind of problem with electrics, or of the same magnitude. So even similar sounding problems are more a matter of degree than equavalency. In addition, there are benefits to electrics that have no real equivalency with ICE cars. What I do know is that if you do even the most cursory research on the overall large-scale and longterm reliability of the vehicles...which because Tesla isn't forthcoming with their data has to be accumulated voluntarily by survey...the cars don't do well. However, it's really not that important to most owners as the vehicles as again, the benefits simply overwhelm all of that. Things that would be unacceptable to an owner of a Toyota really does just get a free pass with a Tesla.

bane 3y ago

More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Not as bad as Jeeps or Chevys, but below Ford, Dodge, and Lincoln. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true.

stcredzero 3y ago
More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. [Citation Needed] There's a long history of such rankings being gamed by the auto industry. If you follow Tesla closely, it's quite obvious that so many of the rankings are simply designed to exclude or disadvantage them. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true. In automotive history, when there's disruption and car adoption shifts so massively, has it ever turned out that large numbers of people were deluded? Has it ever turned out that large numbers of people saw real value where complacent incumbents dropped the ball? (Example: Japanese imports disrupting the US market.) That answer to both is yes. However, the 2nd has been more often the case. Also, the instances of the 1st simply don't last multiple years. So if you consider automotive history, it's far more likely that loyal Tesla owners are onto something, and you simply want them to be deluded.
- bane 3y ago
  > and you simply want them to be deluded I'm pretty sure that's not what I said.
  - stcredzero 3y ago
    Sorry if I mistook your intent. However: More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Really, you should look more closely at automotive industry rankings. This is basically fodder for the legacy media, which has deservedly lost a lot of credibility. For that matter, take a close look at media covering these things. So many of these things are gamed. Also look up what Peter Thiel says about incumbency, ossification, and lack of true innovation in today's industry. It's not that the emperor has no clothes, but things a lot skimpier than they're supposed to be.
    - bane 3y ago
      I broadly agree with you on your points, and as a Tesla shareholder with a slightly embarrassing amount of money tied up in them, I have nothing but self-interested desire for them to do well. What seems to happen often with owners of the vehicles is that they are so enamored with many of the benefits of them, that they overlook some issues -- sometimes to the point where they don't or won't acknowledge them. And use this very biased point of view to extend their positive feelings and anecdotes towards the entire brand. I also personally believe that things that were issues with traditional ICE cars simply aren't the same kind of problem with electrics, or of the same magnitude. So even similar sounding problems are more a matter of degree than equavalency. In addition, there are benefits to electrics that have no real equivalency with ICE cars. What I do know is that if you do even the most cursory research on the overall large-scale and longterm reliability of the vehicles...which because Tesla isn't forthcoming with their data has to be accumulated voluntarily by survey...the cars don't do well. However, it's really not that important to most owners as the vehicles as again, the benefits simply overwhelm all of that. Things that would be unacceptable to an owner of a Toyota really does just get a free pass with a Tesla.