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I get what you're saying, but "native tribes" were just part of the ecosystem as much as we are. The is nothing magical or pure about them. The "true" natural

I get what you're saying, but "native tribes" were just part of the ecosystem as much as we are. The is nothing magical or pure about them. The "true" natural state of a region is one without any management or intervention from anyone. We are not "invasive" species and contrary to what the rocket man says, Earth is our home and we will not be anywhere else, so the only solution is to use our brains and judgment.

tadfisher 3y ago
You may have misread my statement. Dense evergreen forests in the valley weren't natural even before tribal settlement. The tribes innovated by practicing controlled burns, and part of this was due to wanting to survive; fires caused by lightning and other non-human causes are rare in the valley, so the "natural" state was catastrophic fires every decade or so as forests encroached and provided tinder.
ChatGTP 3y ago
The oldest known civilization on earth I'm not claiming Australian Aboriginals are "magic" but holy shit did they do a great job of looking after ecosystems compared to any modern civilization? I personally think there was some magic about their way of doing things. The oldest known civilization on Earth which some how didn't destroy the climate, pollute the ocean, poison fish stocks with mercury, kick start mass extinction events and litter the world with microplastics. I've been to remote parts of Australia where they still have traditional land management practices going on. It's a wonderful thing to see. The forest was so beautiful and pristine looking, it was as if the whole landscape looked like a beautiful garden. It was more inspirational than any city I've seen. As someone with young kids, I was thinking to myself how absurd our situation is. I wanted to feed my kid some tuna and then I realized that it's not healthy for them to eat it. Can you believe how freaking bad this is? We've poisoned the ocean so badly, kids shouldn't eat from it. It's like the whole of our civilization needs an honest performance review but we're not going to get one because we're also our own manager.
h0l0cube 3y ago
GP didn't make any allusion to the 'noble savage' myth. The quote: > you'd think that dense evergreen forests are the "natural" state of the ecosystem They are speaking of the current state of the forests and how they would appear natural, not that one land management practice was more or less natural than the other.

tadfisher 3y ago

You may have misread my statement. Dense evergreen forests in the valley weren't natural even before tribal settlement. The tribes innovated by practicing controlled burns, and part of this was due to wanting to survive; fires caused by lightning and other non-human causes are rare in the valley, so the "natural" state was catastrophic fires every decade or so as forests encroached and provided tinder.

ChatGTP 3y ago

The oldest known civilization on earth I'm not claiming Australian Aboriginals are "magic" but holy shit did they do a great job of looking after ecosystems compared to any modern civilization? I personally think there was some magic about their way of doing things. The oldest known civilization on Earth which some how didn't destroy the climate, pollute the ocean, poison fish stocks with mercury, kick start mass extinction events and litter the world with microplastics. I've been to remote parts of Australia where they still have traditional land management practices going on. It's a wonderful thing to see. The forest was so beautiful and pristine looking, it was as if the whole landscape looked like a beautiful garden. It was more inspirational than any city I've seen. As someone with young kids, I was thinking to myself how absurd our situation is. I wanted to feed my kid some tuna and then I realized that it's not healthy for them to eat it. Can you believe how freaking bad this is? We've poisoned the ocean so badly, kids shouldn't eat from it. It's like the whole of our civilization needs an honest performance review but we're not going to get one because we're also our own manager.

h0l0cube 3y ago

GP didn't make any allusion to the 'noble savage' myth. The quote: > you'd think that dense evergreen forests are the "natural" state of the ecosystem They are speaking of the current state of the forests and how they would appear natural, not that one land management practice was more or less natural than the other.