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Moderation is only an issue at "commercial" scale. Any small community can easily solve moderation. One critique I have about most modern business plans is that

Moderation is only an issue at "commercial" scale. Any small community can easily solve moderation. One critique I have about most modern business plans is that they are looking for large scale and little responsibility.

rrix2 3y ago
Nightpool has been an admin of AcitvityPub servers of all sizes for years now and is versed in the moderation challenges therein, I'm not sure they'd agree :) I'm not sure I agree that it's a solvable issue at community scale.
- nightpool 3y ago
  Yeah, I don't think moderation is "solved" at all on the community scale, but my point is that ActivityPub servers are just way more likely to be at that "community" scale, and Bluesky—as a more flat protocol with a lot of discovery and indexing features—is not. So I think they have a lot better chance of having communities that can reach a local moderation equilibrium.
- detourdog 3y ago
  I guess I'm looking at it from the Lens of the community. If a community can't solve its moderation issue through social standards the community degrades. Once the community degrades to having no social standards there is no point in moderation.
sleepybrett 3y ago
I helped run a moderate a small forum community in the early aughts. We only had maybe 800-1000 active users at our peak. Moderation was fucking terrible, and not 'solved'. We had several users we elevated into moderator positions and still.. I think we were running about 1.5 moderators per 100 active users on average.
- detourdog 3y ago
  800 to a thousand sounds like a lot to me. The early aughts were also different times.
numpad0 3y ago
I think this comment is kind of correct, the moderation problem can be overlooked until the system scales(IMO not until individual participating instances scale but until the whole system becomes relevant), and thereafter we'd come back to the problem of bad actors and external pressures.

rrix2 3y ago

Nightpool has been an admin of AcitvityPub servers of all sizes for years now and is versed in the moderation challenges therein, I'm not sure they'd agree :) I'm not sure I agree that it's a solvable issue at community scale.

nightpool 3y ago
Yeah, I don't think moderation is "solved" at all on the community scale, but my point is that ActivityPub servers are just way more likely to be at that "community" scale, and Bluesky—as a more flat protocol with a lot of discovery and indexing features—is not. So I think they have a lot better chance of having communities that can reach a local moderation equilibrium.
detourdog 3y ago
I guess I'm looking at it from the Lens of the community. If a community can't solve its moderation issue through social standards the community degrades. Once the community degrades to having no social standards there is no point in moderation.

sleepybrett 3y ago

I helped run a moderate a small forum community in the early aughts. We only had maybe 800-1000 active users at our peak. Moderation was fucking terrible, and not 'solved'. We had several users we elevated into moderator positions and still.. I think we were running about 1.5 moderators per 100 active users on average.

detourdog 3y ago
800 to a thousand sounds like a lot to me. The early aughts were also different times.

numpad0 3y ago

I think this comment is kind of correct, the moderation problem can be overlooked until the system scales(IMO not until individual participating instances scale but until the whole system becomes relevant), and thereafter we'd come back to the problem of bad actors and external pressures.