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> Sorry but I've been hearing this for 15 years now. Really? Care to share the cost per KWh of batteries numbers from 15 years ago? What about $/Watt for PV mo

> Sorry but I've been hearing this for 15 years now. Really? Care to share the cost per KWh of batteries numbers from 15 years ago? What about $/Watt for PV modules? Or maybe just deployment numbers of solar/wind? I mean maybe, just maybe, we can have progress on the renewables front without people crying about "greenwashing"? > No one listened, and people/media latched on to the most absurdly optimistic models as a sign that everything was fine and we could continue to procrastinate on this problem. Many areas in the US will be fine. Rich people ignore it because they have the money to move away from affected areas, and poor people don't really have a media voice. But that's typical USA for you, so nothing surprising there.

JohnMakin 3y ago
I don't really know how you can square this supposed "tremendous success" of renewables when statistics like this are out there: https://statista.com/statistics/282716/oil-consumption-in-the-us-per-day/ https://statista.com/statistics/282716/oil-consumption-in-th... Oil consumption is still increasing year over year. People like you have been saying the same things about renewables for a long, long time. I suppose it'll come any day now!
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  There are more sources of carbon than oil. Now do coal. Consumption is down 50% from peak, and back to 1970's levels. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=44155 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=44155 Why beat around the bush when we can just look at actual US CO2 emissions which are down 20% since 2005 (see figure 5). https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/carbon/ https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/carbon/ Edit: I always find it fascinating how negatively people respond to any mention of progress.
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- ianburrell 3y ago
  Renewables affect electricity production, not oil consumption. The renewable share is up to 41% in 2022. Oil consumption in 2022 is below 2005. It is increasing since the dip for the pandemic but it is below 2019. The population has grown since 2005 so the per capita usage has dropped significantly since 2005.

JohnMakin 3y ago

I don't really know how you can square this supposed "tremendous success" of renewables when statistics like this are out there: https://statista.com/statistics/282716/oil-consumption-in-the-us-per-day/ https://statista.com/statistics/282716/oil-consumption-in-th... Oil consumption is still increasing year over year. People like you have been saying the same things about renewables for a long, long time. I suppose it'll come any day now!

s1artibartfast 3y ago
There are more sources of carbon than oil. Now do coal. Consumption is down 50% from peak, and back to 1970's levels. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=44155 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=44155 Why beat around the bush when we can just look at actual US CO2 emissions which are down 20% since 2005 (see figure 5). https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/carbon/ https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/carbon/ Edit: I always find it fascinating how negatively people respond to any mention of progress.
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ianburrell 3y ago
Renewables affect electricity production, not oil consumption. The renewable share is up to 41% in 2022. Oil consumption in 2022 is below 2005. It is increasing since the dip for the pandemic but it is below 2019. The population has grown since 2005 so the per capita usage has dropped significantly since 2005.