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>There is just no democratic support for fixing global warming since it's too expensive. There's plenty of support, the US has lowered its carbon emissions qui

>There is just no democratic support for fixing global warming since it's too expensive. There's plenty of support, the US has lowered its carbon emissions quite a bit. There's one big problem though: what do we do about China and India? Are you prepared to get drafted and go to war to get China to stop burning coal?

exitb 3y ago
Which country should go convince China, the one that has twice the CO2 emissions per capita?
- Clubber 3y ago
  If 3 people are releasing chlorine gas in a large room and only one of them slows down, it doesn't make a huge difference what the per capita emissions rate is, does it?
davis 3y ago
2023 made it very clear that China knows the stakes and also sees an opportunity with owning the clean tech future. They built more renewable energy just last year than has been installed in all of the United States in its history. BYD just passed Tesla as the biggest producer of EVs. The opportunity is there and with China's faltering economy that was propped up by housing, I expect Xi to do all he can to be the provider of the world with renewables.
- Clubber 3y ago
  >2023 made it very clear that China knows the stakes What happened in 2023? https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/carbon-co2-emissions https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/carbon-co2-e...
  - davis 3y ago
    You have to burn carbon to build renewable energy components if you don't have enough energy from existing solar + wind; I don't know what you expect. But now they have ~500GW of energy to build next year's >>500GW [1]. It's an investment and every year it pays off. China's emissions peak wasn't supposed to happen this decade but that has been revised [2] 1: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-solar-capacity-expected-hit-1000-gw-by-2026-rystad-energy-2023-09-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-solar-capacity-ex... 2: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-set-peak-before-2030-expert-poll-2023-11-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-...

exitb 3y ago

Which country should go convince China, the one that has twice the CO2 emissions per capita?

Clubber 3y ago
If 3 people are releasing chlorine gas in a large room and only one of them slows down, it doesn't make a huge difference what the per capita emissions rate is, does it?

davis 3y ago

2023 made it very clear that China knows the stakes and also sees an opportunity with owning the clean tech future. They built more renewable energy just last year than has been installed in all of the United States in its history. BYD just passed Tesla as the biggest producer of EVs. The opportunity is there and with China's faltering economy that was propped up by housing, I expect Xi to do all he can to be the provider of the world with renewables.

Clubber 3y ago
>2023 made it very clear that China knows the stakes What happened in 2023? https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/carbon-co2-emissions https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/carbon-co2-e...
- davis 3y ago
  You have to burn carbon to build renewable energy components if you don't have enough energy from existing solar + wind; I don't know what you expect. But now they have ~500GW of energy to build next year's >>500GW [1]. It's an investment and every year it pays off. China's emissions peak wasn't supposed to happen this decade but that has been revised [2] 1: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-solar-capacity-expected-hit-1000-gw-by-2026-rystad-energy-2023-09-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-solar-capacity-ex... 2: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-set-peak-before-2030-expert-poll-2023-11-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-...