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We aren't exactly asking people to sacrifice their wellbeing and convenience completely. That's why for example we aren't asking the population to ditch their c

by kccqzy 3y ago

We aren't exactly asking people to sacrifice their wellbeing and convenience completely. That's why for example we aren't asking the population to ditch their cars and switch to trains and bikes, but we are offering them electric cars, which are exactly the kind of lower impact solutions you are speaking of.

methodical 3y ago
An electric car isn't really a lower impact solution for a large amount of the US population. From what I'm able to find, the lowest priced EV (Chevy Bolt) starts around $27k currently[0], whereas the cheapest gas car (Nissan Versa) starts at $17k[1]. This is without even accounting for the larger difference in the used car market, cost of installing a level 2 EV charger (which is another $1k-$2.5k[2], which is necessary for anybody who does any significant amount of traveling in a single day), or the 25% higher insurance premiums for EVs[3]. All said the difference between the two options is a pretty significant difference for most of the population who are already struggling because of the significant inflation rates experienced in recent years[4]. [0] https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev [1] https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html [2] https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-an-ev-charger https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-much-does-i... [3] https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-having-electric-car-affects-your-auto-insurance-rates#electric https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-having-electric-car-affects... [4] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/ https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-infl...
kagakuninja 3y ago
Electric cars help, but are not the solution. If everyone in Asia and Africa bought electric cars, it would be a disaster.
- kccqzy 3y ago
  That's my point. We aren't looking for "the solution" we are looking for something that helps.

by kccqzy 3y ago

methodical 3y ago

An electric car isn't really a lower impact solution for a large amount of the US population. From what I'm able to find, the lowest priced EV (Chevy Bolt) starts around $27k currently[0], whereas the cheapest gas car (Nissan Versa) starts at $17k[1]. This is without even accounting for the larger difference in the used car market, cost of installing a level 2 EV charger (which is another $1k-$2.5k[2], which is necessary for anybody who does any significant amount of traveling in a single day), or the 25% higher insurance premiums for EVs[3]. All said the difference between the two options is a pretty significant difference for most of the population who are already struggling because of the significant inflation rates experienced in recent years[4]. [0] https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev [1] https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html [2] https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-an-ev-charger https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-much-does-i... [3] https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-having-electric-car-affects-your-auto-insurance-rates#electric https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-having-electric-car-affects... [4] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/ https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-infl...

kagakuninja 3y ago

Electric cars help, but are not the solution. If everyone in Asia and Africa bought electric cars, it would be a disaster.

kccqzy 3y ago
That's my point. We aren't looking for "the solution" we are looking for something that helps.