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Agree - it's also extremely concerning that otherwise intelligent and educated people I know that have never been climate deniers have shifted into this absurd

Agree - it's also extremely concerning that otherwise intelligent and educated people I know that have never been climate deniers have shifted into this absurd climate "optimism" which borders on delusional that's approximately like "well, eventually things will get so bad that capitalism will save us and we'll plant a bunch of trees or capture carbon or pump coolants into the atmosphere" and is generally unbothered by it otherwise. It's astounding to me, no matter how much you try to reason and give examples of why these approaches can't/haven't been working, it's like trying to get through a brick wall. I understand why - to have any kids right now would be terrifying. Hell, to be under 50 right now is terrifying. But just because the truth is scary does not mean we should retreat to delusion.

orangecat 3y ago
It's astounding to me, no matter how much you try to reason and give examples of why these approaches can't/haven't been working, it's like trying to get through a brick wall. Do you think trying to force everyone to radically alter their lifestyles is going to work any better? Once again I find myself confused when so-called environmentalists seamlessly shift between "renewables will soon be so cheap and abundant that there's no need for nuclear power" to "we're all doomed unless we strictly ration energy and abolish capitalism".
- JohnMakin 3y ago
  > Do you think trying to force everyone to radically alter their lifestyles is going to work any better? I don't know where you think I said that. However, climate change is going to force radically altered lifestyles, and if you disagree with this, you simply aren't paying any attention. > Once again I find myself confused when so-called environmentalists seamlessly shift between "renewables will soon be so cheap and abundant that there's no need for nuclear power" to "we're all doomed unless we strictly ration energy and abolish capitalism". It seems like you're creating an argument that I did not present out of thin air. Have fun arguing with your strawman.

orangecat 3y ago

It's astounding to me, no matter how much you try to reason and give examples of why these approaches can't/haven't been working, it's like trying to get through a brick wall. Do you think trying to force everyone to radically alter their lifestyles is going to work any better? Once again I find myself confused when so-called environmentalists seamlessly shift between "renewables will soon be so cheap and abundant that there's no need for nuclear power" to "we're all doomed unless we strictly ration energy and abolish capitalism".

JohnMakin 3y ago
> Do you think trying to force everyone to radically alter their lifestyles is going to work any better? I don't know where you think I said that. However, climate change is going to force radically altered lifestyles, and if you disagree with this, you simply aren't paying any attention. > Once again I find myself confused when so-called environmentalists seamlessly shift between "renewables will soon be so cheap and abundant that there's no need for nuclear power" to "we're all doomed unless we strictly ration energy and abolish capitalism". It seems like you're creating an argument that I did not present out of thin air. Have fun arguing with your strawman.