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Toyota reliability is unmatched, but their design and interior tech certainly leaves something to be desired. I wish they would take a more modern approach like

Toyota reliability is unmatched, but their design and interior tech certainly leaves something to be desired. I wish they would take a more modern approach like how Hyundai has with the 2024 Santa Fe that looks like a Ranger Rover with the latest design like a BMW but at a more affordable price point. While also reliable, the idea of a Toyota but with the new design of say the Santa Fe would seem to be the perfect mix. But perhaps part of the reason Toyota is so reliable is because they put such a relative little focus on design/tech enhancements? Love that Santa Fe is Hybrid in US, but also surprised the new model doesn't offer a plugin hybrid (in US) this year which would think would be quite popular. But perhaps they want to wait to 2025 incase any major issues in the new 2024 model before expanding the lineup.

jonwachob91 3y ago
Part of why I purchased a Toyota Tacoma last year was b/c the tech isn't the "latest and greatest" on the market. I can expect this vehicle to drive for 500k miles (more realistically, 10 years at 250k miles before I'm ready for a change, we'll see) and I can expect for the tech to last just as long. I have zero faith that a tesla's tech will hold up for 10 years, or have any resale value in 10 years. I also feel confident I can fix most of the issues that will occur with this vehicle. Sure, it's still a modern car and fixing anything will require a few hours of removing other parts to get to the broken bit - but that's still easier to fix than something going bad on some of these super tech'ed up vehicles.
ianai 3y ago
I can’t stand the look of a single BMW nor the other SUV you mentioned. To each their own, and toyota styling does have fans. (Wish the Lexus front end was more aerodynamic though)
- UncleOxidant 3y ago
  > I can’t stand the look of a single BMW Same. Recent BMWs look increasingly garish. Why would you make the "grill" ("nostrils" some call them on BMWs) bigger on EVs? And then when you get close to them you see there is actually no opening there - they're like fake shutters on a house.
stcredzero 3y ago
Toyota reliability is unmatched, but their design and interior tech certainly leaves something to be desired. Our household used to exclusively drive private party used Corollas. We've switched to Teslas. If your time is valuable and you factor time and money together, the savings on hassles is already worth it in spades.
- UncleOxidant 3y ago
  I don't get it. If your time is money (and your money is money) why would you switch from Corollas to Teslas? Corollas have a reputation for reliability.
  - stcredzero 3y ago
    No oil changes. No smog inspection. No visits to the filling station. No timing belt. No transmission fluid. Also, Corolla tire pressure gauges seem to be designed to break after several years, and are seemingly designed to be too expensive to repair. (Pretty much take this as a given for many years of Corollas.) I don't see that as being a problem on the Teslas. There's just far less to go wrong on an EV. Corollas have a reputation for reliability? The Teslas following the S/X super luxury models, the 3 and the Y, look to beat them at this game.
    - bane 3y ago
      More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Not as bad as Jeeps or Chevys, but below Ford, Dodge, and Lincoln. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true.
      - stcredzero 3y ago
        More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. [Citation Needed] There's a long history of such rankings being gamed by the auto industry. If you follow Tesla closely, it's quite obvious that so many of the rankings are simply designed to exclude or disadvantage them. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true. In automotive history, when there's disruption and car adoption shifts so massively, has it ever turned out that large numbers of people were deluded? Has it ever turned out that large numbers of people saw real value where complacent incumbents dropped the ball? (Example: Japanese imports disrupting the US market.) That answer to both is yes. However, the 2nd has been more often the case. Also, the instances of the 1st simply don't last multiple years. So if you consider automotive history, it's far more likely that loyal Tesla owners are onto something, and you simply want them to be deluded.
oseibonsu 3y ago
I think this might fit your needs: https://www.nyetoyota.com/the-2024-toyota-land-cruiser-hybrid-is-coming-in-hot/ https://www.nyetoyota.com/the-2024-toyota-land-cruiser-hybri...
adolph 3y ago
> Toyota reliability is unmatched, but their design and interior tech certainly leaves something to be desired. . . . But perhaps part of the reason Toyota is so reliable is because they put such a relative little focus on design/tech enhancements? Yes, maybe the two are related in some unseen way. Like, for all its power, the eye of Sauron at the top of the corp tower can't focus on all things equally. I semi-anticipated a hybrid to be the worst of both worlds, but after 13 + 6 years that hasn't proven the case for my Prii.

jonwachob91 3y ago

Part of why I purchased a Toyota Tacoma last year was b/c the tech isn't the "latest and greatest" on the market. I can expect this vehicle to drive for 500k miles (more realistically, 10 years at 250k miles before I'm ready for a change, we'll see) and I can expect for the tech to last just as long. I have zero faith that a tesla's tech will hold up for 10 years, or have any resale value in 10 years. I also feel confident I can fix most of the issues that will occur with this vehicle. Sure, it's still a modern car and fixing anything will require a few hours of removing other parts to get to the broken bit - but that's still easier to fix than something going bad on some of these super tech'ed up vehicles.

ianai 3y ago

I can’t stand the look of a single BMW nor the other SUV you mentioned. To each their own, and toyota styling does have fans. (Wish the Lexus front end was more aerodynamic though)

UncleOxidant 3y ago
> I can’t stand the look of a single BMW Same. Recent BMWs look increasingly garish. Why would you make the "grill" ("nostrils" some call them on BMWs) bigger on EVs? And then when you get close to them you see there is actually no opening there - they're like fake shutters on a house.

stcredzero 3y ago

Toyota reliability is unmatched, but their design and interior tech certainly leaves something to be desired. Our household used to exclusively drive private party used Corollas. We've switched to Teslas. If your time is valuable and you factor time and money together, the savings on hassles is already worth it in spades.

UncleOxidant 3y ago
I don't get it. If your time is money (and your money is money) why would you switch from Corollas to Teslas? Corollas have a reputation for reliability.
- stcredzero 3y ago
  No oil changes. No smog inspection. No visits to the filling station. No timing belt. No transmission fluid. Also, Corolla tire pressure gauges seem to be designed to break after several years, and are seemingly designed to be too expensive to repair. (Pretty much take this as a given for many years of Corollas.) I don't see that as being a problem on the Teslas. There's just far less to go wrong on an EV. Corollas have a reputation for reliability? The Teslas following the S/X super luxury models, the 3 and the Y, look to beat them at this game.
  - bane 3y ago
    More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. Not as bad as Jeeps or Chevys, but below Ford, Dodge, and Lincoln. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true.
    - stcredzero 3y ago
      More objective looks at reliability put Teslas as a class very far down in any ordered ranking. [Citation Needed] There's a long history of such rankings being gamed by the auto industry. If you follow Tesla closely, it's quite obvious that so many of the rankings are simply designed to exclude or disadvantage them. What's interesting is the despite this Teslas often rank near the top for owner satisfaction. I can believe that both are true. In automotive history, when there's disruption and car adoption shifts so massively, has it ever turned out that large numbers of people were deluded? Has it ever turned out that large numbers of people saw real value where complacent incumbents dropped the ball? (Example: Japanese imports disrupting the US market.) That answer to both is yes. However, the 2nd has been more often the case. Also, the instances of the 1st simply don't last multiple years. So if you consider automotive history, it's far more likely that loyal Tesla owners are onto something, and you simply want them to be deluded.

oseibonsu 3y ago

I think this might fit your needs: https://www.nyetoyota.com/the-2024-toyota-land-cruiser-hybrid-is-coming-in-hot/ https://www.nyetoyota.com/the-2024-toyota-land-cruiser-hybri...

adolph 3y ago

> Toyota reliability is unmatched, but their design and interior tech certainly leaves something to be desired. . . . But perhaps part of the reason Toyota is so reliable is because they put such a relative little focus on design/tech enhancements? Yes, maybe the two are related in some unseen way. Like, for all its power, the eye of Sauron at the top of the corp tower can't focus on all things equally. I semi-anticipated a hybrid to be the worst of both worlds, but after 13 + 6 years that hasn't proven the case for my Prii.